New Jersey reconsiders law banning cursing in front of children

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An interesting First Amendment battle is taking place in New Jersey’s Supreme Court, where its judges are reconsidering the merits of a 70-year-old statute that makes repeated cursing in front of children a criminal offense for adults

Arguments were heard on Monday in the case of John Tate, a man who was accused of a sexual assault on his 13-year-old foster son in 2009. Tate faced various charges, but he accepted a plea bargain to a lesser offense.

Tate was found guilty of violating New Jersey statutes 9:6:1 and 9:6-3, which make it a fourth-degree crime for any parent, guardian, or person to habitually use “profane, indecent, or obscene language” in front of a minor because it could affect their morals. The law falls under the state’s child abuse statutes.

Tate had served three years before accepting the plea bargain and he has finished his incarceration. Tate also made other appeals to have his plea withdrawn before this current challenge.

But now Tate and the American Civil Liberties Union are suing to withdraw his prior guilty plea based on a First Amendment argument.

The question put in front of the judges is this: “Did defendant’s admission during his plea allocution to cursing and using off-color language in such a way as to debauch a child’s morals provide an adequate factual basis to establish child neglect under N.J.S.A. 9:6-3?”

The New Jersey Law Journal has a recap of the arguments made on Monday.

“It’s hard to imagine that the use of a swear word could equal a felony,” said Michael Pastacaldi, Tate’s attorney. “It leads to an absurd result.”

The ACLU’s attorney for Tate, C.J. Griffin, argued that statute was clearly unconstitutional. “Curse words cannot be criminalized,” she told the court.

One of the jurists, Judge Barry Albin, then noted that accepting that argument would amount to the court saying it was permissible for parents or guardians to curse repeatedly in front of children.

Assistant Morris County Prosecutor John McNamara Jr. told the court that Tate’s guilty plea had to be taken in the context of the charges that he plea bargained down from, which could have put Tate behind bars for 20 years.

One key problem noted by Judge Albin was that Tate didn’t say what kind of offensive language he used when he pleaded guilty to the lesser crime. That’s an important point, since the state statute finds that “profane, indecent, or obscene language” in front of children is a violation of the law.

Obscenity in general presents important First Amendment conflicts and depending on the context of a sexually explicit obscenity, obscenities may not be protected by the First Amendment if they appeal to “prurient interests.”

The Supreme Court has debated this subject for decades, and one of the Court’s most-famous quotes came from Justice Potter Stewart in 1964, when he wrote that while he couldn’t form a written obscenity description, “I know it when I see it.”

Profane language enjoys much more First Amendment protection. Profane language, however, can’t include “fighting words” that provoke someone to violence, or language that incites a riot. Profane words can include language considered to be grossly offensive, including vulgar, racist and sexual themes.

Indecent language also has First Amendment protection because such words might not offend all people. The George Carlin “Seven Words” case was an example of the use of language about sexual or excretory organs or activities that can be restricted, but not totally banned, under the First Amendment.

Fourth-degree offenses in New Jersey can result in imprisonment for up to 18 months, along with substantial fines.

The ACLU has worked successfully to overturn anti-cursing laws in several states, including wins in North Carolina and Pennsylvania over profanity issues.

http://news.yahoo.com/jersey-case-tests-law-banning-cursing-front-children-110026845.html
 
That's a bit extreme, not a bad idea, but how would that ever be enforced? I guess with today's technology it could be proven.

Guess they'd have to clean up tv and movies, full of foul language.
 
Deaf people still can curse in front of kids because most people don't understand ASL....hahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!
 
Deaf people still can curse in front of kids because most people don't understand ASL....hahahahahhahahahahaha!!!!!

Not all deaf people use ASL and some hearing people know ASL. So how about saying ASL users still can curse in front of kids because most people don't understand ASL!
 
There is a difference between cursing AT your kids and cursing IN FRONT of your kids...Screaming at your kid that he's a little sh*t is a whole lot different than saying sh*t when you accidentally hammer your thumb...
 
That's a bit extreme, not a bad idea, but how would that ever be enforced? I guess with today's technology it could be proven.

Guess they'd have to clean up tv and movies, full of foul language.

I was thinking that too and it would also mean a ban on a lot of books .
We're slowly having our rights taken away from us and people do not see that. We can't give kids candy in their lunch in school in my city , we can't say Christmas tree anymore , it's now called a holiday tree some city say you can't smoke in your car if your kids in it too. What next we can't hug our kids b/c they might go to school and hug a classmate and that is a crime or a sexual harassment . :roll:
 
I was thinking that too and it would also mean a ban on a lot of books .
We're slowly having our rights taken away from us and people do not see that. We can't give kids candy in their lunch in school in my city , we can't say Christmas tree anymore , it's now called a holiday tree some city say you can't smoke in your car if your kids in it too. What next we can't hug our kids b/c they might go to school and hug a classmate and that is a crime or a sexual harassment . :roll:

I know, getting positively ridiculous, isn't it? :roll:
 
I know, getting positively ridiculous, isn't it? :roll:

You can say that again! And now a city in my state is trying to put a ban on selling tobacco . Some fool said it's the only product that can kill you. WTF ! What about all the accidents causes by dunk drivers and kids Oding on meds . Then there should be a ban on sugar too and foods b/c if we eat too much it made too fat and made your body . :roll:
 
Thats Communism!
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The thing that is really scary about this that a few people have the power to tell a whole city what they can't or can do . Politicians should not be able to have this much control over people . I hope the people of NJ will protest this b/c if this pass there is could happen in other states .
 
All because parents are afraid to beat their kids ass and make them walk a straight line and respect others...
 
I've heard some stories of CPS being involved and some not doing anything to taking away kids over little thing. Some CPS to the school staff disciplining children for little things... it's a joke. It's scary part that some parents homeschool their children.
 
All because parents are afraid to beat their kids ass and make them walk a straight line and respect others...

I really feel you do not have to beat your kids ass to get them to respect others. I didn't to that to my daughter and she has a lot of friends and a teacher in high school told me he wish he had 15 students like my daughter so his job would be easier. Beating a kid ass can backfire , I went to school with boy that got his ass beaten at home a lot and he was an angry kid . I was at his house and I found out just how angry he was , he tried to beat me with a broom stick and I had to fight him off. I stopped trying to be friends with after that. He was too full anger to trust anyone .
 
Not all deaf people use ASL and some hearing people know ASL. So how about saying ASL users still can curse in front of kids because most people don't understand ASL!

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