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Aren't there other means for making spoken words visible?

Spoken words can of course be made visible in the form of writing. However, writing is neither convenient nor even practicable for the purposes of face-to--face communication with very young deaf children. Therefore, instead of using pen and paper for these purposes, the hands have been used in different ways to represent spoken words. In addition to Cued Speech, signs and fingerspelling also make use of hands to represent spoken words. These three ways of representing words visually with the hands are the equivalents of the three forms in which spoken words are usually represented in writing (i.e. syllabic writing, ideographic writing and alphabetic writing).
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National Society for the Deaf
 
The National Society for the Deaf (NSD) is a tax-exempt voluntary non-profit organization dedicated to servicing the special needs of deaf Malaysians. It was established in 1961, with Y.B. En. Mohamed Khir Johari, the then Minister of Education, serving as its first President.



Mission

1. To initiate early identification of all Malaysian hearing impaired infants.

2. To help family members speak easily, freely and effectively in the Malaysian national language with their hearing impaired child through the use of Cued Speech in Bahasa Malaysia - i.e. Pertuturan Kiu Bahasa Malaysia (PKBM).

3. To promote speech skills development in all hearing impaired children at home and at school.

4. To initiate implementation of a fully comprehensive inter-Ministerial intervention programme for all hearing impaired children, from management in early infancy to inclusive education through all school levels.






Mission

1. To initiate early identification of all Malaysian hearing impaired infants.

2. To help family members speak easily, freely and effectively in the Malaysian national language with their hearing impaired child through the use of Cued Speech in Bahasa Malaysia - i.e. Pertuturan Kiu Bahasa Malaysia (PKBM).
3. To promote speech skills development in all hearing impaired children at home and at school.
4. To initiate implementation of a fully comprehensive inter-Ministerial intervention programme for all hearing impaired children, from management in early infancy to inclusive education through all school levels.

Oh, look! A Malaysian oralist organization.
 
jillio - Being that Cued Speech removes ambiguity of speech reading, and can be paired with speech therapy, I am not surprised to see it used in this fashion in Malaysia. It is obvious that the NSD is providing their students with an additional tool in their oral program. Sadly, few North American programs can get past their own biases regarding Cued Speech.
 
What about the Malaysian signed language of the deaf? An oralist is an oralist is an oralist. It is not surprizing, then, that they would promote oralist techniques for learning oral language.
 
jillio said:
What about the Malaysian signed language of the deaf? An oralist is an oralist is an oralist. It is not surprizing, then, that they would promote oralist techniques for learning oral language.
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Sign Language potrays the image, identity and culture of the country that the Deaf Community belongs to. In Malaysia, we have the Malaysian Sign Language (Bahasa Isyarat Malaysia—BIM). The Deaf regard Sign Language as their natural language which reflects their cultural values and keeps their traditions and their heritage alive.

Bahasa Isyarat Malaysia

Even in that country, Deaf people value their sign language.
 
shel90 said:
Sign Language potrays the image, identity and culture of the country that the Deaf Community belongs to. In Malaysia, we have the Malaysian Sign Language (Bahasa Isyarat Malaysia—BIM). The Deaf regard Sign Language as their natural language which reflects their cultural values and keeps their traditions and their heritage alive.

Bahasa Isyarat Malaysia

Even in that country, Deaf people value their sign language.
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And the oralist organizations devalue it and relegate it to inferior status.
 
Oh, my, I don't like to think about having other countries being control by hearing oralist organizations for the deaf people who need sign language really bad. That is why I get pissed off at hearing authorities or like AGBad who are trying to make us be oral instead of sign language. This is sooo unfair to Malaysian deaf people and other deaf people all over the world like us Deafies. This is WAR against oralist organizations. I don't care what you hearing people think of me. Trying to force us to use speech and lipreading without sign language is very wrong, wrong, wrong. So get it over with and deal with us by using sign language which we will be very happy to display. All oralist organizations just don't get it how hard it is to try to lipread and to speak without the aid of sign language. That is all I have to say about this matter. :pissed:
 
jillio said:
What about the Malaysian signed language of the deaf? An oralist is an oralist is an oralist. It is not surprizing, then, that they would promote oralist techniques for learning oral language.
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jillio - I am sure that there is information available on the web regarding Malaysian sign language. You simply need to look for it. It would appear that you are of the belief that deaf children should not be provided the opportunity to aquire oral skills.

You make it quite clear that you do not fully comprehend how cueing developes language internally for deaf children. Cueing on its own is not a speech tool, perhaps you have forgotten that.
 
Bebonang said:
Oh, my, I don't like to think about having other countries being control by hearing oralist organizations for the deaf people who need sign language really bad. That is why I get pissed off at hearing authorities or like AGBad who are trying to make us be oral instead of sign language. This is sooo unfair to Malaysian deaf people and other deaf people all over the world like us Deafies. This is WAR against oralist organizations. I don't care what you hearing people think of me. Trying to force us to use speech and lipreading without sign language is very wrong, wrong, wrong. So get it over with and deal with us by using sign language which we will be very happy to display. All oralist organizations just don't get it how hard it is to try to lipread and to speak without the aid of sign language. That is all I have to say about this matter. :pissed:
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Bebonang - From your post it is clear that you are not familiar with what cueing is and wish to compare it to oral only learning.
 
shel90 said:
Sign Language potrays the image, identity and culture of the country that the Deaf Community belongs to. In Malaysia, we have the Malaysian Sign Language (Bahasa Isyarat Malaysia—BIM). The Deaf regard Sign Language as their natural language which reflects their cultural values and keeps their traditions and their heritage alive.

Bahasa Isyarat Malaysia

Even in that country, Deaf people value their sign language.
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As I tend to be picky on some topics, I couldn't resist commenting your "Even in that country,". The resistance toward oralism and the valuing of sign language are pretty the same everywhere, rich or poor from what I have seen. It's definitely not an US or western world issue. Some of the poorest third world countries I have been to, have some really nasty signs on CI. Malaysia, which I have visited a couple of times, are a relative high educated country, especially the number of female enigneers are impressive, so I would not be surprised if they have bi-bi programs there.

Interesting info you put up here, Shel!
 
loml said:
Bebonang - From your post it is clear that you are not familiar with what cueing is and wish to compare it to oral only learning.
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I am sure Bebonang knows what CS is and I am sure that Bebonang agrees with Jillio about CS being part of the oral learing.

I, for one, agree with Bebonang and Jillio. :)
 
flip said:
As I tend to be picky on some topics, I couldn't resist commenting your "Even in that country,". The resistance toward oralism and the valuing of sign language are pretty the same everywhere, rich or poor from what I have seen. It's definitely not an US or western world issue. Some of the poorest third world countries I have been to, have some really nasty signs on CI. Malaysia, which I have visited a couple of times, are a relative high educated country, especially the number of female enigneers are impressive, so I would not be surprised if they have bi-bi programs there.

Interesting info you put up here, Shel!
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:ty:
 
loml said:
Bebonang - From your post it is clear that you are not familiar with what cueing is and wish to compare it to oral only learning.
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It is an oral method. Until you start cuing a language that is not oral, it will always be an oral method. Are you really that confused?
 
Bebonang said:
Oh, my, I don't like to think about having other countries being control by hearing oralist organizations for the deaf people who need sign language really bad. That is why I get pissed off at hearing authorities or like AGBad who are trying to make us be oral instead of sign language. This is sooo unfair to Malaysian deaf people and other deaf people all over the world like us Deafies. This is WAR against oralist organizations. I don't care what you hearing people think of me. Trying to force us to use speech and lipreading without sign language is very wrong, wrong, wrong. So get it over with and deal with us by using sign language which we will be very happy to display. All oralist organizations just don't get it how hard it is to try to lipread and to speak without the aid of sign language. That is all I have to say about this matter. :pissed:
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High 5 to you...I agree with you...
 
loml said:
jillio - As is eating. I have stated before oral for me means oralism. Cueing is not oralism. Hope that clears this up for you.

Thanks
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Sorry I dont agree with you.. I had seen video of cued speech... it is part of oralism....
 
loml said:
jillio - As is eating. I have stated before oral for me means oralism. Cueing is not oralism. Hope that clears this up for you.

Thanks
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Indication of your complete lack of understanding of that which you speak. You can't get past the fact that without an oral language to be cued, CS is non-existent. Therefore, it is an oral method.
 
SxyPorkie said:
You are 100% right...I agree with you..
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:ty: Sxyporkie. Everyone else seems to understand that as long as it is an oral language being cued, CS is an oral method. Loml appears to be the only one confused about this issue.
 
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