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rockin'robin
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Yeah, Jiro is right....I tried to get into an Ivy League school...they sent me down the street to the Daffy Duck University on Buggs Bunny Avenue....I'm hoping to graduate before I become looney tunes.....
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I know!!!! That was why I didnt even try....I am just toooooo stupid!
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Wait until you see engineers' grammar.
Even in the UK, they're horrid.
Even in the UK, they're horrid.
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Is there really a link between the two? I know people who were born profoundly deaf. Yet they can write perfectly good English. Sorry, I don't mean to come across as rude. Since joining this forum, I've realised that there's a lot I don't know about the subject. - Despite the fact that I've lived with my condition since the day I was born.
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some ppl dont properly learn english grammar as opposed to ASL grammar...i dont get how or why if they've gone to school but thats just the way it is with some ASL deafies
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ExR and Alicia:
It's because some of us....
--Loved to read (like me), and we acquired our English skills from lots and lots of reading!
--went to mainstream schools and for some reason or another, could not pick up English so easily because of inaccessibility, teachers not helping you, lack of accommodations, etc.
--went to residential schools with unqualified teachers/hearing teachers who don't know ASL/what have you, and had trouble learning anything because of those circumstances. I know of a deaf school that has several classes with NO teacher at all.
--regardless of what school, they were shuffled along as long as they passed, no matter how their English skills were.
--had parents who did not use ASL/visual cues for speech in some way, and had a language delay.
I could go on forever, but there's tons of reasons why some of us have good English skills, and some of us don't. Keep in mind that for some people it's not their first language. What if I criticized your French that you learned as a second language? Especially if you didn't practice it everyday, reading it and writing it, with someone making sure you understood? It's very similar.
It's because some of us....
--Loved to read (like me), and we acquired our English skills from lots and lots of reading!
--went to mainstream schools and for some reason or another, could not pick up English so easily because of inaccessibility, teachers not helping you, lack of accommodations, etc.
--went to residential schools with unqualified teachers/hearing teachers who don't know ASL/what have you, and had trouble learning anything because of those circumstances. I know of a deaf school that has several classes with NO teacher at all.
--regardless of what school, they were shuffled along as long as they passed, no matter how their English skills were.
--had parents who did not use ASL/visual cues for speech in some way, and had a language delay.
I could go on forever, but there's tons of reasons why some of us have good English skills, and some of us don't. Keep in mind that for some people it's not their first language. What if I criticized your French that you learned as a second language? Especially if you didn't practice it everyday, reading it and writing it, with someone making sure you understood? It's very similar.
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I did reconsider the use of using the word "Deaf" several times, but in the end I left it in.
It is true that some deaf and hoh people speak "normally", at least from a hearing, native English speaking person's pespective. It is also true that some deaf and hoh people are not native English speakers. They use ASL, which, quite differently, has it's own set of rules.
As N4E pointed out, there are a million reasons why deaf literacy has such a poor showing. In part, I believe that this is because the text deaf asl-users are reading are not for them. If you will allow me to steal N4E's example: If, growing up, you only spoke English, then I put you in a school where all of a sudden nothing was written in a familiar language, you would be pretty confused when it came to this next language. Then, even though you weren't developing literacy skills (again, from a hearing POV), you'd probably simply graduate year after year. "Good enough."
There are also simply not enough educated teachers out there capable of teaching deaf asl-using students how to write in English. This is why, as you will find, much of this website is written in a language unfamiliar to myself, perhaps you and others as well.
This is also why deaf people can carry a stereotype of unintelligence. This is, as most stereotypes are, simply untrue. If you grew up speaking English, but then told you that the only way you could be smart and express yourself was by speaking fluent French, which was simply introduced to you, would you be capable of doing so?
This thread, this forum, this website, this culture.
It is a learning experience for everyone.
It is true that some deaf and hoh people speak "normally", at least from a hearing, native English speaking person's pespective. It is also true that some deaf and hoh people are not native English speakers. They use ASL, which, quite differently, has it's own set of rules.
As N4E pointed out, there are a million reasons why deaf literacy has such a poor showing. In part, I believe that this is because the text deaf asl-users are reading are not for them. If you will allow me to steal N4E's example: If, growing up, you only spoke English, then I put you in a school where all of a sudden nothing was written in a familiar language, you would be pretty confused when it came to this next language. Then, even though you weren't developing literacy skills (again, from a hearing POV), you'd probably simply graduate year after year. "Good enough."
There are also simply not enough educated teachers out there capable of teaching deaf asl-using students how to write in English. This is why, as you will find, much of this website is written in a language unfamiliar to myself, perhaps you and others as well.
This is also why deaf people can carry a stereotype of unintelligence. This is, as most stereotypes are, simply untrue. If you grew up speaking English, but then told you that the only way you could be smart and express yourself was by speaking fluent French, which was simply introduced to you, would you be capable of doing so?
This thread, this forum, this website, this culture.
It is a learning experience for everyone.
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yeah but he is in college now, shouldn't someone at the school be correcting his grammar?
yeah but he is in college now, shouldn't someone at the school be correcting his grammar?
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I agree....makes me "wonder"....
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What if he is really not in college?
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You will be surprised how horrid students' grammar are outside of their classes. I don't get it myself... they're willing to obtain perfect grammar for their papers and exams, yet it's utterly crap outside of their classes.
So you can't judge someone's grammar by whether or not they went to school or are going to school.