Lets hope euthanasia does not become part of the answer

whatdidyousay! said:
Death Drugs Cause Uproar in Oregon - ABC News


It's already happening .
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That is why this should left the decision up to the any age person, even older Seniors who want to prolong or want to commit suicide. It is all a matter of pain that the patient could not tolerate going through. But like the 64 years old woman who had cancer in remission but finally came back again, if she had pain medication but want to slow down the cancer spread. Then she would have gotten the medication that cost a lot of money which she don't have that kind of money. She would like the insurance to pay for her medication that she is so desperate. The insurance have no right to refuse her medication on her life. The insurance telling her to take the death pill which cost only 50 dollars.

I could have take it if I have extreme pains with no way to have medication to stop the pain. Yes, I would want to die. But if I want to prolong and live for another few months to 5 years. Then I would like to do that in spite of the extreme pains. It is up to the individuals to decide what they want to do with their life. I hate Cancer. :(
 
On the face of it-the discussion re: suicide is a "religious matter" -outside the preview of ongoing comments here in AllDeaf.com.
additional: re: purpose of life is a "theological/philosphical" position. relative to ongoing discussion here in Alldeaf.com. In the" real world" one can have "whatever position" as such.
 
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Suicide isn't necessarily a religious matter. It never will be for me, because I'd happily do it when things are not worth it for me any more. I have lived with a seriously painful condition that many people kill themselves over for 15 years now, and I completely understand wanting an end to it. It's daily nonstop agony that won't even kill you like cancer. There's nothing religious in that.
 
I guess it is each person choice. Some will aay yes and others will say no. Just not force a person into either desicion.
 
Eater of Worlds said:
Suicide isn't necessarily a religious matter. It never will be for me, because I'd happily do it when things are not worth it for me any more. I have lived with a seriously painful condition that many people kill themselves over for 15 years now, and I completely understand wanting an end to it. It's daily nonstop agony that won't even kill you like cancer. There's nothing religious in that.
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I agree with you , I do not see this as a religious matter at all. It's all about money , insurance companies want to decide if a people life it worth spending $$$ on. That should up to the person if they want to live longer and be pain free or end their life . I am sorry to hear that you been living in pain for so long. I had client that was in pain all the time and she stay drunk all the time to try and deal with the pain.
 
drphil said:
On the face of it-the discussion re: suicide is a "religious matter" -outside the preview of ongoing comments here in AllDeaf.com.
additional: re: purpose of life is a "theological/philosphical" position. relative to ongoing discussion here in Alldeaf.com. In the" real world" one can have "whatever position" as such.
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It is true for other people who want to suicide because of their depression like giving up life with no hope. That is wrong.

But when it come with patients who has cancer or other diseases (no cure). Then the patient can decide if he or she want to prolong the disease with special medication (cost a lot of money which the patients can not afford to) instead of the Death pill. What I am saying is that 64 years old woman have a medication for pain but don't have special medication to prolong the disease from 5 months to 5 years. She want that very much but her insurance refused to give her. Her insurance had the gall to tell her that she has to take the Death pill which cost only $50. That is very rude of the insurance to do that to her. The insurance have no right to make the decision for her. She has the right to decide what she want to do with her own life. So for that, it is nothing to do with religion at all. It is the agony or suffering that she has endured. :(
 
It is interesting the thread took this turn. The rightness or wrongness of euthanasia, suicide, Death with Dignity, whatever you call it does have a lot to do with religious belief, but in many ways culture is a bigger game.

For instance we are in fact a warlike culture, competitive, violent, aggressive.
As a culture we identify with a religion that believes that love, cooperation, forgiveness, are the way.

My premise is that our culture at present is at the mercy of economic manipulators in order to maximize profit. The observation I have is that as a culture we have proven the success of the money changers over our religion and are largely happy with it. Their way rules. Religion is a substance to be used in propaganda recipes for getting their way to form and direct our culture for their profit.

Euthanasia will ultimately be driven by economics and cloaked in our culture. The bottom line will be that profit making and preserving too many elders wont work. There will be literally millions of baby boomers too many for the profiteers that rule our culture.

Instead of waking up while it is happening and saying "how can this be happening" we need to have already won the fight for our lives.
 
goodonya said:
It is interesting the thread took this turn. The rightness or wrongness of euthanasia, suicide, Death with Dignity, whatever you call it does have a lot to do with religious belief, but in many ways culture is a bigger game.

For instance we are in fact a warlike culture, competitive, violent, aggressive.
As a culture we identify with a religion that believes that love, cooperation, forgiveness, are the way.

My premise is that our culture at present is at the mercy of economic manipulators in order to maximize profit. The observation I have is that as a culture we have proven the success of the money changers over our religion and are largely happy with it. Their way rules. Religion is a substance to be used in propaganda recipes for getting their way to form and direct our culture for their profit.

Euthanasia will ultimately be driven by economics and cloaked in our culture. The bottom line will be that profit making and preserving too many elders wont work. There will be literally millions of baby boomers too many for the profiteers that rule our culture.

Instead of waking up while it is happening and saying "how can this be happening" we need to have already won the fight for our lives.
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Yeah , That is what I said , this about insurance companies wanting to make
$$$ and will decide who is worth saving . The thread is about this and not about religion and suicide and it's a drag that it been hijack like this .
That is sure way to get it shut down fast. So could people keep the religion
out of it.
 
Thank you Whatdidyousay!, this thread is not about the religious aspect and personal decision making angle of the introduction of the euthanasia of large numbers of elders into our common culture.

The insurance industry ultimately is owned by individuals. Who are they? Who owns General Electric? Raytheon? Boeing? Haliburton? BP? TransCanada?

The faces we see and label these are the richest are all new rich. They are very influential and by use of their money can and do influence our culture.

Beyond these few publicly known faces are the biggest influencers; they are the ones whose influence really runs the show. We never see them and only know them by their corporate and organization faces. Who is the World Trade Organization? Not what; who? For these people country and religion are complex factors to be used and directed. Boundaries are for us not them, we are played no matter what side of a boundary we are on.

By their actions we know them. We may not know who but we can know them and anticipate their actions. They are completely ruthless. Human life is nothing to them. We are all as I often joke about on the job, pawns in a bigger game. Whether we like it or not they have poked and patted our culture into a useful form for their use. Is it good? Is it bad? How can we know? The main thing for us little people is to try and get our little slice of the pie and to protect ourselves while we partake of it.
 
goodonya said:
Thank you Whatdidyousay!, this thread is not about the religious aspect and personal decision making angle of the introduction of the euthanasia of large numbers of elders into our common culture.

The insurance industry ultimately is owned by individuals. Who are they? Who owns General Electric? Raytheon? Boeing? Haliburton? BP? TransCanada?

The faces we see and label these are the richest are all new rich. They are very influential and by use of their money can and do influence our culture.

Beyond these few publicly known faces are the biggest influencers; they are the ones whose influence really runs the show. We never see them and only know them by their corporate and organization faces. Who is the World Trade Organization? Not what; who? For these people country and religion are complex factors to be used and directed. Boundaries are for us not them, we are played no matter what side of a boundary we are on.

By their actions we know them. We may not know who but we can know them and anticipate their actions. They are completely ruthless. Human life is nothing to them. We are all as I often joke about on the job, pawns in a bigger game. Whether we like it or not they have poked and patted our culture into a useful form for their use. Is it good? Is it bad? How can we know? The main thing for us little people is to try and get our little slice of the pie and to protect ourselves while we partake of it.
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goodonya , I totally understand what you're talking about , I had a Dr. who was very concerned about what you're talking about. People will not be able to have the care they need if they're seen as being too old or too sick invest money into. People will be seen as commodities and it's already happening , that woman with cancer I posted about was told she was not $4,000 she is worth only $50 .
 
whatdidyousay! said:
goodonya , I totally understand what you're talking about , I had a Dr. who was very concerned about what you're talking about. People will not be able to have the care they need if they're seen as being too old or too sick invest money into. People will be seen as commodities and it's already happening , that woman with cancer I posted about was told she was not $4,000 she is worth only $50 .
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sadly this is the case
 
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