Just curious about Deaf Pride history

[Grummer]

If DPN did not happened, would the Deaf Way I and II not happened also?
not only that, 'hype' may gave a boost to realise this need to be actioned out into actual process of doing than the talking.

I wonder if anyone might agree it has alot to do , with beng in the right time, and and right place' Like perhaps to address power imbalances and structural inequality ? or what - have-in-mind about what 'allows' the Real meaning of social progress........


I like to see what some of you might think of this
Grummer

 

[jillio]

If DPN did not happened, would the Deaf Way I and II not happened also?
not only that, 'hype' may gave a boost to realise this need to be actioned out into actual process of doing than the talking.

I wonder if anyone might agree it has alot to do , with beng in the right time, and and right place' Like perhaps to address power imbalances and structural inequality ? or what - have-in-mind about what 'allows' the Real meaning of social progress........


I like to see what some of you might think of this
Grummer

The right place and the right time has a huge impact on the success of any social movement. The climate of society must be receptive to a new idea in order for that idea to take hold. I personally feel that the extremely conservative climate of our country at this point has a direct realtion to the fact that we have moved rapidly toward implantation and a return to oral philosophies in recent years.

 

[Grummer]

The right place and the right time has a huge impact on the success of any social movement. The climate of society must be receptive to a new idea in order for that idea to take hold. I personally feel that the extremely conservative climate of our country at this point has a direct realtion to the fact that we have moved rapidly toward implantation and a return to oral philosophies in recent years.

lol , great minds thnk alike

i just wrote this bit down;

It is pertinent to note that simultaneously in the last twenty-five years while we have seen Deaf resurrection emerged with a rise of sign language, deaf culture, bilingualism in schools and affirmed rights to use an Interpreter which threatened the hearing colonialism, there was an oppositional movement taking place, posing an even more subtle, insidious coercion of oralism, hailed in the name of science.

 

[jillio]

lol , great minds thnk alike

i just wrote this bit down;

It is pertinent to note that simultaneously in the last twenty-five years while we have seen Deaf resurrection emerged with a rise of sign language, deaf culture, bilingualism in schools and affirmed rights to use an Interpreter which threatened the hearing colonialism, there was an oppositional movement taking place, posing an even more subtle, insidious coercion of oralism, hailed in the name of science.

And promoted by the hearing majority.

 

[Ariakkas]

or it could be that deaf schools are failing to meet the educational needs of deaf children.

 

[Interpretrator]

I personally feel that the extremely conservative climate of our country at this point has a direct realtion to the fact that we have moved rapidly toward implantation and a return to oral philosophies in recent years.

I disagree because I don't think there's any connection between political conservatism or liberalism and linguistic philosophy regarding ASL and oralism; I don't believe issues concerning the deaf community are anywhere near well enough known or on the radar of the hearing population at large, including politicians.

I think your connection has more to do with a shared sense of oppression regarding both the political climate and oralism, which seems to be somewhat common in the deaf community, or at least among the people I know -- with many exceptions of course!

 

[jillio]

I disagree because I don't think there's any connection between political conservatism or liberalism and linguistic philosophy regarding ASL and oralism; I don't believe issues concerning the deaf community are anywhere near well enough known or on the radar of the hearing population at large, including politicians.

I think your connection has more to do with a shared sense of oppression regarding both the political climate and oralism, which seems to be somewhat common in the deaf community, or at least among the people I know -- with many exceptions of course!

Actually, that is the connection I was referring to......sorry I didn't make myself more clear. I think that conservative political climate, and tolerance for those who differ from the majority, and thus willingness to provide accommodation that would enhance that difference rather than masking it, are correlated.

 

[Grummer]

Jillio,
and thus willingness to provide accommodation that would enhance that difference rather than masking it, are correlated.

could you please explain this further, Im perturbed, what exactly echance the difference means, good or bad or more definition of deaf culture? or more definition of disabilty laws? or what?

 

[ismi]

Actually, that is the connection I was referring to......sorry I didn't make myself more clear. I think that conservative political climate, and tolerance for those who differ from the majority, and thus willingness to provide accommodation that would enhance that difference rather than masking it, are correlated.

I don't know that this is necessarily so - the 'liberal agenda', such as it is, doesn't always match up with the cause of disability rights. And I say that as a pretty strong leftist. Look, for instance, at which political groups are more likely to support euthanasia.

 

[jillio]

Jillio,
and thus willingness to provide accommodation that would enhance that difference rather than masking it, are correlated.

could you please explain this further, Im perturbed, what exactly echance the difference means, good or bad or more definition of deaf culture? or more definition of disabilty laws? or what?

Perhaps enhancing the differnce is not the best wording. More tolerance and support of differences, and acceptance of differences as being just as valuable and important in the development of societal policy.

When ADA laws are enforced as they were meant to be enforced, the disabled population becomes more visable in the educational and the work environments. This leads to greater exposure to those with disabilities by the general non-disabled population. Exposure leads to personal contact, and personal contact leads to understanding and a change of perspective in both populations. This, in turn, reduces the ethnocentrism of believing that all must conform to and assimilate into the majority culture, and allows various cultures to exist and to learn from each other. Cultural contact will always lead to change. Unfortunately, it is often change forced upon the minority culture by the majority. Once this oppression has become intolerable, the minority culture will begin to assert their rights. An environment that suppports those rights through legislation insuring that those rights will be respected and upheld allows freedom of choice in the change that occurs through contact.

The Civil Rights laws enacted in 1964 provided such an environment for the African American culture. Additional legislation has provided such an environment for Native American culture. The ADA is relatively new and is beginning to provide such an environment for Deaf Culture. But the laws enacted through the ADA must be enforced for them to be effective. To date, enforcement of such laws has been sporadic and inconsistent, and this is directly related to those legal bodies such as politically appointed judiciaries sitting on the Supreme Court. That is why a conservative political environment impedes progress in the move toward progress.

 

[jillio]

I don't know that this is necessarily so - the 'liberal agenda', such as it is, doesn't always match up with the cause of disability rights. And I say that as a pretty strong leftist. Look, for instance, at which political groups are more likely to support euthanasia.

While I can agree with you that nothing is a given, the support for euthanasia is not support for the act in and of itself, but support for the individual's fundamental right to choose and direct their own life and death. The conservatives are more inclined to remove that freedom of choice and direction over one's own life.