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First, I am very appreciative of this forum:wave: Based on what I've learned, I am for promotion of ASL or other SL as opposed to oralism - I always thought the ASL or a Signed Language was very significant to be available and as cultural aspect but didn't know more details of individual's experiences or the details of the ALS/oral debate as I do now, so I am honored to have learned this.

I do wanna say, that sometimes I have come across posts that from my perspective seem to imply the people with LD are "dumb", or otherwise just not quite so "smart", especially when comparing the terrible history of the MISINFORMATION thought by many hearing of "deaf and dumb" <NOT what I believe>. And sometimes also in terms of trying to explain why deaf as a school educational category is differentiated between other categories of "exceptionality" < as categorized by a school>, such as LD. So, I just wish to say that folks with LD are just as "NOT dumb" as people who are d/Deaf. I have LD, I do things differently than many other people do, that's all-

:ty: for reading and for this forum :)
 
They are not dumb. It just that it is the wrong learning tool for them. It's like putting an Autism in a class for people who are dyslexia even though that teaching class was specifically designed for dyslexia and not for Autism.

Or like this, one child respond to discipline if you put his his toy away and another respond if you put him to a time out. It is basically the same thing but different method.
 
Dumb as applied to deaf people only actually means mute and has nothing to do with intelligence.

LD stands for learning disabled, which in and of itself, like it or not, means there is a slower learning rate than the general population.
 
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This forum is actually one of the best forums I've been in. There's lots of amazing people here and I'm glad to know some of them here. They never cease to make me smile.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
They are not dumb. It just that it is the wrong learning tool for them. It's like putting an Autism in a class for people who are dyslexia even though that teaching class was specifically designed for dyslexia and not for Autism.
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Exactly...deaf children placed in a classroom full of hearing children and hearing adults with no visual access to the language, discussions, cirriculm, and information is extremely restrictive to them and as a result, they are at risks for falling behind. When that happens, they are usually written off as having learning problems.
 
What are learning disabilities?

Learning disability is a general term that describes specific kinds of learning problems. A learning disability can cause a person to have trouble learning and using certain skills. The skills most often affected are:

* reading,

* writing,

* listening,

* speaking,

* reasoning, and

* doing math.

Learning disabilities (LD) vary from person to person. One person with learning disabilities may not have the same kind of learning problems as another person with learning disabilities. One person may have trouble with reading and writing. Another person with learning disabilities may have problems with understanding math. Still another person may have trouble in each of these areas, as well as with understanding what people are saying.
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Learning Disabilities Causes, Symptoms, Diagnosis, and Treatment on MedicineNet.com
 
And as a person with Autism and a severe learning disability in mathematics, I accept the fact that I am not in the league of Einstein.
 
My hearing brother has learning disability in all subjects (had to get a modified (sp?) diploma) . But not once I saw him as dumb! You would talk to him and write to him and you can never tell he has a learning disability. I just wished he would stop thinking he is.
 
shel90 said:
Exactly...deaf children placed in a classroom full of hearing children and hearing adults with no visual access to the language, discussions, cirriculm, and information is extremely restrictive to them and as a result, they are at risks for falling behind. When that happens, they are usually written off as having learning problems.
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yes, we need our own system, not one tool fit all. Even people with LD need a system that break down into categories that will help them keep up with their peers.
 
yes, I understand....:ty:

a person can have LD and also be considered "gifted"; a person may have multiple LD's or just have one area of difficulty and be very "fast" in other areas. I agree that it is a big problem putting kids who do not need to be in there, in a self-contained class for students with LD, and another BIG problem<as I learned about it here> of putting d/Deaf students in classes w/o access to appropriate visual inputs and Sign Language. Many teachers do not really understand LD and seem to think anyone who does not meet some supposed "norm" may have LD when they may actually have autism - or are Deaf. Also there is a problem w/over-targeting certain populations in a school as having LD. And sadly I have come across people who equate the idea of "dumb" in that sick old line "deaf and dumb" as actually relating to intelligence, as opposed to purely speaking.
But I know there are many skilled teachers and all people on here.

I also have happen to have math LD - it was never caught til college because I was a girl, was shy and quiet in school and read and wrote what was considered well.

I do agree that this a great forum!
 
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