HOH, then making a choice.

Thanks Cloggy,

Wow, that is the way I feel. CIs are hard work. A lot of practicing and working to even get to the point of understanding.

I really enjoyed the video.

Also - I had the same test sentences!
 
While I agree that cochlear implants are hard working life-time commitment with practicing, recognized sounds, improved speech production and understanding speech without speech reading.

But do you think that's fair for young babies should go through all that stress while I have no problems with adults deciding cochlear implants for themselves but I do have a problem with babies and young children, the hard work they have to put in to get the understanding of their cochlear implants, it's not much harder with hearing aids because as I remember when I was younger I wasn't required to work as hard with hearing aids, or even had to recognized the sounds.

I just felt bad for those babies and young children who can't be children because they have to work harder cuz of the decison their parents made upon their child.
 
Cheri said:
While I agree that cochlear implants are hard working life-time commitment with practicing, recognized sounds, improved speech production and understanding speech without speech reading.

But do you think that's fair for young babies should go through all that stress while I have no problems with adults deciding cochlear implants for themselves but I do have a problem with babies and young children, the hard work they have to put in to get the understanding of their cochlear implants, it's not much harder with hearing aids because as I remember when I was younger I wasn't required to work as hard with hearing aids, or even had to recognized the sounds.

I just felt bad for those babies and young children who can't be children because they have to work harder cuz of the decison their parents made upon their child.
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Who says they can't be children. All you have to do is look at Cloggy's daughter to see that she's quite happy with being a child. I think that you have to think of this from the point that a child who is implanted can adapt easier to what they hear and learn to interpret sounds with greater ease than an adult - its the biology of the brain that comes into play here. A little work in the beginning with a child can pay off tenfold when they get older. And you really don't have to "work hard" at recognizing the sounds - your brain learns to do it on its own. Interaction is important but that's true with any child - hearing OR deaf.
 
Angel said:
Umm is he making fun of us?...:ugh:
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He is making fun of students from an oral HOH school called Clarke. Check out his other clip where he is making fun of himself(bigneck), to be fair :)
 
Cheri said:
While I agree that cochlear implants are hard working life-time commitment with practicing, recognized sounds, improved speech production and understanding speech without speech reading.

But do you think that's fair for young babies should go through all that stress while I have no problems with adults deciding cochlear implants for themselves but I do have a problem with babies and young children, the hard work they have to put in to get the understanding of their cochlear implants, it's not much harder with hearing aids because as I remember when I was younger I wasn't required to work as hard with hearing aids, or even had to recognized the sounds.

I just felt bad for those babies and young children who can't be children because they have to work harder cuz of the decison their parents made upon their child.
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Interesting...I did all the hard work (blood, sweat, and tears) with my HA when I was growing up starting from about 3 years old and on. The CI was quite easy for me when I got hooked up...nothing to it from my perspective.

I say this to make a point...life is hard work regardless of one's station in life. It is another way of saying life isn't fair and it will never be fair. The only concession I will make is to allow most kids to develop both oral and sign abilities. Let 'em take it from there.
 
sr171soars said:
Interesting...I did all the hard work (blood, sweat, and tears) with my HA when I was growing up starting from about 3 years old and on. The CI was quite easy for me when I got hooked up...nothing to it from my perspective.

I say this to make a point...life is hard work regardless of one's station in life. It is another way of saying life isn't fair and it will never be fair. The only concession I will make is to allow most kids to develop both oral and sign abilities. Let 'em take it from there.
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Well said!
 
I just felt bad for those babies and young children who can't be children because they have to work harder cuz of the decison their parents made upon their child.
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On the other hand neecy, I think Cheri's got a good point. There ARE some parents who basicly overload their kids with "enrichment" activitivities/ therapy 24/7 and don't really let them be a kid. This is usually seen in very hardcore Auditory-Verbal type parents. That said there are hearing parents who overload their typical kids with "enrichment"things.
 
deafdyke said:
On the other hand neecy, I think Cheri's got a good point. There ARE some parents who basicly overload their kids with "enrichment" activitivities/ therapy 24/7 and don't really let them be a kid. This is usually seen in very hardcore Auditory-Verbal type parents. That said there are hearing parents who overload their typical kids with "enrichment"things.
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Also, the idea of eliminating as many visual cues to the deaf child forcing them to use their listening skills is really demeaning. I dont believe in practices like that because the deaf children have use more valuable time learning how to recognize sounds when they could be learning new concepts or vocabulary. All I see is that hearing children are not being put in this kind of position but yet it is ok to put deaf children under that kind of strain? By providing both visual and auditory languages will be much more helpful and easier for the children. That's my opinion.
 
neecy said:
Who says they can't be children. All you have to do is look at Cloggy's daughter to see that she's quite happy with being a child. I think that you have to think of this from the point that a child who is implanted can adapt easier to what they hear and learn to interpret sounds with greater ease than an adult - its the biology of the brain that comes into play here. A little work in the beginning with a child can pay off tenfold when they get older. And you really don't have to "work hard" at recognizing the sounds - your brain learns to do it on its own. Interaction is important but that's true with any child - hearing OR deaf.
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Actually, the greatest success in CI as far as interpreting speech sounds into meaningful communication comes from the post linguals.....especially the later deafened adults.
 
shel90 said:
Also, the idea of eliminating as many visual cues to the deaf child forcing them to use their listening skills is really demeaning. I dont believe in practices like that because the deaf children have use more valuable time learning how to recognize sounds when they could be learning new concepts or vocabulary. All I see is that hearing children are not being put in this kind of position but yet it is ok to put deaf children under that kind of strain? By providing both visual and auditory languages will be much more helpful and easier for the children. That's my opinion.
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How about we put ear plugs in hearing children, place our hands over our mouths, and then expect them to pick up spoken language? See where their literacy rates end up with that little experiment.
 
sr171soars said:
Interesting...I did all the hard work (blood, sweat, and tears) with my HA when I was growing up starting from about 3 years old and on. The CI was quite easy for me when I got hooked up...nothing to it from my perspective.

I say this to make a point...life is hard work regardless of one's station in life. It is another way of saying life isn't fair and it will never be fair. The only concession I will make is to allow most kids to develop both oral and sign abilities. Let 'em take it from there.
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Exactly. Oral communication for any deaf child is is difficult, and requires a constant environment of directed activity. That is exactly why it interferes with natural language acquisition and creates language delays in the majority of deaf/hoh children in strictly oral environments. Once again, when insisting on oral communication, we restrict the deaf child to his or her weakest sense, and refuse to allow them to capitalize on their strengths.
 
shel90 said:
Also, the idea of eliminating as many visual cues to the deaf child forcing them to use their listening skills is really demeaning. I dont believe in practices like that because the deaf children have use more valuable time learning how to recognize sounds when they could be learning new concepts or vocabulary. All I see is that hearing children are not being put in this kind of position but yet it is ok to put deaf children under that kind of strain? By providing both visual and auditory languages will be much more helpful and easier for the children. That's my opinion.
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I agree! Making the implanted kids learn without signing is like having them doing acrobatic act without any net. ASL is the net and all deaf kids should know ASL in case their CI failed for any reasons.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. Oral communication for any deaf child is is difficult, and requires a constant environment of directed activity. That is exactly why it interferes with natural language acquisition and creates language delays in the majority of deaf/hoh children in strictly oral environments. Once again, when insisting on oral communication, we restrict the deaf child to his or her weakest sense, and refuse to allow them to capitalize on their strengths.
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I agree.. same for deaf adults (me included ). it causes fatigue in me after a while
 
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