Help with grammar?

artemissnake

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Hi everyone! (sorry if this is in the wrong thread!)
I really want to improve my ASL. My grammar is probably my weakest knowledge. Any tips on the order of the parts of speech? (Nouns, verbs, adjectives...)
Thanks :)
 
ASL has no grammar rules.

For example: Why don't you like me?

In ASL; you not like me why? OR why not like me? OR not like me (what's) wrong? OR (what's) wrong not like me?

There are many ways to say it in unstructured grammar. Of course, face expressions help. In this example, you can say "not like me" with a face expression such as a "confused/puzzled look" that indicates you want to know why without signing "why".
 
yes, there's grammar rules, that's part of why it's been finally recognized as an official language- just that it's not the same as English cuz it's un-related to English
 
yes, there's grammar rules, that's part of why it's been finally recognized as an official language- just that it's not the same as English cuz it's un-related to English
:laugh2::laugh2: Native ASLers never follow grammar rules at all. We have our unique ways to sign. See for yourself. Go to DVTV. What's more, my native language is ASL all my life.

Example #1 from amylynne's link; Some ASlers might say "Breakfast coffee finish then store". We can ASL anyway we want. No grammar rules.

ASL is recognized as the official language in USA because it has grammar rules? No shit!
 
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In English, you can say the same thing lots of different ways, but that doesn't mean that English doesn't have grammatical rules. Even if you're not speaking in a way that's technically correct, you can still either be clearly fluent or you can say something in a way that's awkward, that doesn't sound right to a native ear.

My sense (and forgive me, CrazyPaul, if I'm overstepping here: you're a native ASL user and I'm still learning) is that this is true of ASL too. Meaning that while it's true you can sign something a bunch of different ways and not have it be wrong, that there *are* ways to sign something that would strike a native signer as wrong or at least awkward, that would be a giveaway that the person signing is not a native ASL user, is in fact not yet fluent. That would tell me that there are grammar rules, both formal and otherwise (like just having that subtle sense of what works.)

So I guess that's my question to you (CrazyPaul): have you ever seen a novice sign something and have their way of putting a sentence together make it really clear that they're not yet fluent? (I can't imagine that you haven't, but I'll read what you have to say.)
 
In English, you can say the same thing lots of different ways, but that doesn't mean that English doesn't have grammatical rules. Even if you're not speaking in a way that's technically correct, you can still either be clearly fluent or you can say something in a way that's awkward, that doesn't sound right to a native ear.

My sense (and forgive me, CrazyPaul, if I'm overstepping here: you're a native ASL user and I'm still learning) is that this is true of ASL too. Meaning that while it's true you can sign something a bunch of different ways and not have it be wrong, that there *are* ways to sign something that would strike a native signer as wrong or at least awkward, that would be a giveaway that the person signing is not a native ASL user, is in fact not yet fluent. That would tell me that there are grammar rules, both formal and otherwise (like just having that subtle sense of what works.)

So I guess that's my question to you (CrazyPaul): have you ever seen a novice sign something and have their way of putting a sentence together make it really clear that they're not yet fluent? (I can't imagine that you haven't, but I'll read what you have to say.)
OFC, even some interpreters included.
 
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