Grave Removal

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My hubby, son & I visited Great aunt´s and mother´-in-law´s grave yesterday. (my mother-in-law died 22.12.96 aged 61 and Great Aunt died 15.11.00 aged 90).

Our plan was took care of Aunt´s grave to clean then visit mother´s grave. (we took care of Aunt for 4 years after death of my mother-in-law). My son let us know that he want to go to see his Granny´s grave. We were still working on Aunt´s grave which is around 150 yard away from mother´s grave. I noticed my son can´t find his granny´s grave... He kept on walk and look around... My son said that he feel ashamed for not find his own Granny´s grave. I went to him but my son pointed his finger to empty grave and said that he is sure that its granny´s grave place. It creeps my body as I noticed empty grave stone...and don´t want to beleive it and think I could be mistake... I walk front and back with my son and repeat to look at empty grave and knew it´s her grave place. I went to my hubby and told him my suspect. My hubby said that it couldn´t be because it´s not 25 years yet and if father want the grave removal then he must inform him and his brother. (accord father´s, brother´s & hubby´s negotiation before fixed agreement contract, mother´s grave stay up to 25 years. After 25 years, father leave his decision to hubby & brother either we want to extend the agreement contract to keep mother´s grave or not.)

He came with us to mother´s grave. We accept the fact that it´s really true that mother´s grave was being removed. We were stunned. I don´t know how to describe our feeling to you... just stunned... our word can´t come out...

It´s only 13 years, not 25 years. Mother´s grave was being removed without informed my hubby. Why? We don´t know either brother was informed or not? We stared empty grave place for a while. Yes, we were very disgusit. My son called his Grandpa monster and don´t want to invite disrespectful person to his confirmation on 18th April 2010. My hubby want to go his father´s new home straight way but I stopped him and told him it´s no good and make himself worst. I advised him to calm down for a while and find any word to positive his father in firm way, not jump to bash him... I understand how my hubby feel but it´s no good to jump on his father negatively. First we need to find out the reason why he didn´t inform my hubby... and why he do that?

How you reacts when you found out that the grave of your beloved one removed without inform you?


Make short. A few months before we found out mother´s grave removal yesterday, father-in-law gave his life estate of my mother-in-law´s house property up to move out to live near his girlfriend´s apartment (accord mother´s will, hubby & brother are owner of mother´s property and give father the rights to use mother´s property as long as he is alive). We haven´t been in that house for 13 years and was shock and disgusit how dirty and damage, father cause mother´s house. We took some of stuff and found a lot photos of him and mother including their wedding photos as well... Guess what? their wedding rings as well (I mean, father´s and mother´s wedding ring). It look like that he want to forget her and leave her belongs in that house to start a new life. We want to beleive that father forget to bring photos and wedding rings with him. We put all photos, wedding rings etc together in the box and brought them to father. We noticed his "negative" impression when he saw the photos, rings, etc and said nothing. My hubby asked him, "don´t you want them? You can throw them away if you want to. Father said oh no and thanked us. After we learn about mother´s grave removal, we talked half night and remember about photos, rings, etc. We ask to ourselves why he can´t let my hubby & brother know that he won´t take care of mother´s grave anymore then we can do that ourselves?

Why? Why? Why?


Thank you for listening and support.

 
how horrible..... :(
 
its totally horrible story,liebling

my late grandfather gone for 33 years since he died in 1976 but never remove tombstone before i was born,my brother and my cousins was born but my late grandfather was happy have more grandchildren.But my late grandfather still in spirit when he was alives my grandmother says she wishes he will alives today and mores....
 
:hug: Liebling, I'm sorry and very sad this happened to you and to anyone as well.

It's wrong to desecrate a final resting place & not know where your beloved parents' final resting place is.

I hope you and your family find resolution in this and have closure as well.

Hang in there. :hug:

Love,
Patty
 
Liebling,

I am deeply disturbed and saddened to read what you going through this. :( This is horrendous and I truly hope they will correct and find resolution and closure to your family as well as your Great Aunt and Mother in law to rest in peace and not to be disturbed again.

:hug:
 
aw i am so sorry. it must be overwhelming for all of you and your family. I hope there will be a some comfort closure to all of you and your family in some time. :(
 
That's awful. I am very sorry. My stepmother had my father buried far away by her parents, which is not where I would have wanted, but at least I know where he is. :(
 
Excuse my ignorance, If her grave has been removed, where is it now?
 
Where is she now? (I'd like to know also)....it happened to a friend of mine also...but different circumstances....

Thought...(Or should be) a law against this?
 
Is there a way for you to contact the proper authorities to investigate this? Just make sure you have photographic evidence, all the paperwork put together and in order when you do because the first thing they will ask is, are you sure this is the correct grave?

The company who removed the grave will be held responsible and may be required to move it back, tombstone and all.

Here in America instead of removing graves, most cemeteries will purchase additional land or people who have property next to the cemetery will donate part of their land for expansion.

Here, graves cannot be removed unless they have legal forms drawn up by all involved parties, and a final resting place is available.

I wish you luck in getting this sorted out, this would make me royally pissed. I have family whose graves have been in the same place for nearly 80 years, and they will remain there.
 
Wow, I have never heard of a grave removal after 35 years. This is the first time I learn from you. :hmm: It must be terrible for you and your husband and family members like your son losing the grave of being removed. It is wrong to have your father-in-law not informed your husband and family members about the grave removal so that you all can make decision on where to place your mother-in-law or keep her in the same place. Your husband and your son must have love your mother-in-law very much. They want to remember her for the rest of their lives. As for your father-in-law, thirteen years is a long time and he want to move on with his life and of course he does not want to forget her but things have changed so he need to move on with his new girlfriend. As for the pictures to remember her by, your husband should have keep the pictures for himself, not his father. Your husband and your son have to let it go and move on. That is the way the cycles is for us to go through from birth to death. Anyway, I am sorry about what happen and I hope there must be a way to fix it from priest, so that your mother-in-law will be placed in the right spot.
 
Gee... this isn't fair. She should be left to be seen and respected by everyone. :(
 
:ty: everyone for your loving support and kind words.

I am still absolutely devastated as my family as well. My hubby informed his brother via email yesterday, waiting for his reply. We all know that it should be after 25 years accord German burial law.

I am going to response some of your posts and questions.
 
Excuse my ignorance, If her grave has been removed, where is it now?

Jiro´s post
oh wow... good question. I'm not sure I want to know

I received different sides where the corpes and ashes go to is: decomposition, recycle or scientists, maybe to world well-known Gunther von Hagens, the German anatomist. Depend on relative´s decision.

I wish to say anything what I know in my first hand experience but I haven´t. My hubby will check with cemetery office this week.


We discussed about grave removal in my 3 years old thread.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/26067-original-skull.html


I found English link for you to read what they do with corpses.

SpringerLink - Journal Article
 
Where is she now? (I'd like to know also)....it happened to a friend of mine also...but different circumstances....

Thought...(Or should be) a law against this?

Check my answer on Cheri and Jiro´s questions.

Against law? I doubt. Check the link of my 3 years old thread, I posted to response Cheri.

Accord German burial law, contract agreement up to 25 years for grave and 10 years for cemetion. We paid the charge for use government´s property. They measured the size of cemetion and grave and count out how much we have to pay the charge... After contract agreement ends, we can extend the agreement contract for another years but we have to pay charge. It´s very expensive.

But... but we will find out either it´s legal to break agreement contract or not because it suppose to be 25 years, not 13 years. Why he do that without inform my hubby? First of all is we will go to cemetery office to find out this week.
 
Is there a way for you to contact the proper authorities to investigate this? Just make sure you have photographic evidence, all the paperwork put together and in order when you do because the first thing they will ask is, are you sure this is the correct grave?

First of all we will go to cemetery office and need to know what agreement contract between them and my father-in-law stands. My father-in-law have all papers, not us. All what I do is give them mother´s name, birth and death death.

The company who removed the grave will be held responsible and may be required to move it back, tombstone and all.

I doubt. Our last visited mother´s grave to congrat her birthday was last April 2009. We don´t know when mother´s grave was being removed that´s why we are going to find out. The company is not responsible but cemetery office because it´s them who order company to remove. We don´t know where they do with mother´s tombstone, etc.

Here in America instead of removing graves, most cemeteries will purchase additional land or people who have property next to the cemetery will donate part of their land for expansion.

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Yes America burial is the same as UK as well. It´s wonderful to keep burial for long years... :( Government charge us for use their property for 10 to 25 years... :(

I remember exactly around 1988, my mother-in-law and Great Aunt were very upset after got letter from City Hall because the property charge of burial are 3 times expensive. They have family generation over 100 years old. (the family generation on my mother-in-law´s side including Great Aunt). They were planned to bury there then my hubby, brother......... They were very upset and force to remove all of graveyard. :( Of course my hubby´s relatives were very upset as well).

Good thing is we have photos of Great, great grandparents to remember...



Here, graves cannot be removed unless they have legal forms drawn up by all involved parties, and a final resting place is available.

That´s exact same as here in Germany as well but why we are not informed before? It got us wondering.

I wish you luck in getting this sorted out, this would make me royally pissed. I have family whose graves have been in the same place for nearly 80 years, and they will remain there

:ty: Yes, it´s very disguist... I can´t get it out of my mind when I type this post to you... I try to get something positive to get out of my mind.
 
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