Good guy with a gun plays cop

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This is a story that is sure to spark lively discussion, if not controversy, over the “good guy with a gun” issue. A man whose friend was working the overnight shift at a gas station in Knoxville, Tennesee on Monday was sitting in his car in the parking lot when*he witnessedsomebody walk into the store carrying a weapon. Rather than call the police, the man grabbed the gun he kept in his car and took the law into his own hands.

When he entered the store, the bad guy was most definitely robbing it, forcing the good guy’s friend to open the register at gunpoint. Without hesitation, the good guy took out the bad guy with one fatal gunshot, and the incident was over.

The robber, identified as 18-year-old Tamon Stapleton, won’t be living a life of crime; he won’t be living at all. The good guy who shot him*won’t be facing any charges.

This may seem like a cut and dry case of a friend defending a friend, which is technically legal in Tennessee, with what some may consider a happy ending. Whenever a life ends, especially one so young, there is nothing happy about it.

man in this story made no attempt to contact police. He saw a “thug,” and the ammosexual dream came true. He was going to get to be the hero, and so he was. In places like Knoxville, such behavior is considered worthy of medals. In places where reason is appreciated, the “hero” did nothing but put himself, the clerk, the perpetrator and anyone who may have been in or near the store’s lives at risk.

Standard operating procedure*for armed robbery in EVERY corner of the nation is clear: Cooperate with the thief, give him what he wants, take notice of anything he may have touched, pay attention to what he looks like and in almost every case nobody gets hurt.

By rushing in, weapon drawn, this ‘hero’ did nothing but get lucky. He was lucky he was faced with a kid who was probably inexperienced with crime and guns. He was lucky he wasn’t faced with a career criminal whose partner was waiting around the corner as a lookout. He’s lucky his weapon was the only one fired.

He’s lucky more people aren’t dead.

Oh, sure, there are some who will say that his intervention may have saved a life, quoting a very unlikely situation where someone was killed in that same type of robbery by a psychopath.

The bottom line is, had the man called police, stayed where he was and watched where the thief went, a young man would be facing charges of armed robbery instead of a six foot hole. No matter how justified the law says he was, he’s not an officer trained to talk someone down or diffuse a situation, he’s another ‘good guy’ who gets to scratch a notch in his barrel.

Contrary to what right-wingers are saying about this case, Stapleton didn’t receive “justice.” Justice happens when a person is apprehended and faces charges for the crime he committed. In Tennessee, Stapleton would have been looking at five years in prison for using a gun during a robbery. He also would have had the chance during that time to turn his life around.

Stapleton wasn’t apprehended, he was executed. The circumstances behind what pushed this young man to attempt such a crime won’t be presented in court as part of his defense. Witnesses won’t be able to vouch for his character, and he won’t be able to plead guilty, apologize, show remorse and have a chance at a life.

This has been building for quite some time. As the left pushes for common sense gun safety regulation, the right pushes back with the “good guy” theory. Some wingnut came up with “criminals won’t follow laws, so why bother?” That has blossomed into a culture of open carrying long guns through Home Depot, protecting your latte with loaded weapons at coffee shops and making sure every ‘Murican is “prepared” for just this situation.

This “good guy” was certainly “prepared.” If he’s part of the conservative “good guy” movement, he was probably even a little bit ecstatic. A favorite argument of liberals is that statistically, the likelihood that you’ll ever have the chance to thwart a robbery is so thin that the notion of armed citizens patrolling the streets is simply ludicrous. This was his big chance, and all those hours spent shooting at the range were about to pay off.

After reading about this incident, how many more “good guys” will there be? How many loaded weapons will be sitting in glove boxes at 3 a.m. outside of the Circle K in a rough neighborhood just waiting for the chance to be needed?

Stapleton’s crime was thwarted, but the man responsible is no hero; he’s part of a much larger problem.
 
With absolutly no facts in this story I can only comment on what is said. So much hate aimed at someone who was put in a position where he was forced to kill a young man to defend his friend. The events where put into motion by the actions of the armed criminal and he died by the decisions he made. If you don't want to get shot by armed citizens then don't rob them at gun point.

As for the citizen being lucky, while there is always risk involved, history has shown time and again that armed civillians are very capable of responably defending themselves and loved one.
 
With absolutly no facts in this story I can only comment on what is said. So much hate aimed at someone who was put in a position where he was forced to kill a young man to defend his friend. The events where put into motion by the actions of the armed criminal and he died by the decisions he made. If you don't want to get shot by armed citizens then don't rob them at gun point.

As for the citizen being lucky, while there is always risk involved, history has shown time and again that armed civillians are very capable of responably defending themselves and loved one.

This article is based off of:

http://wate.com/2015/06/15/1-person-killed-in-shooting-at-knoxville-convenience-store/

It brings to question the pros and cons of being armed... but this was an 18 year old kid...one does not know if he would have harmed anyone or if it would have been just a stop and rob... I will not argue that there was fault in the shooting...if some one was threating another with a gun, why wait and see what his or her intentions are...a pointed gun is clear enough intent to me... but... this kid was handed an unexpected death penalty... what is to keep us from returning to the days of the wild west? I am all for the right to be armed for this reason... but criminals will always find a way... and stop and robs are just way too convenient payday for some... what is the next step?
 
The good kid after the hero worship has gone is going to have to live with this for life..i get impression good kid waiting for first opportunity to use it friend or foe.
I don't think good guy is in fact good guy this good guy who got gun and no brains bad combination
 
With absolutly no facts in this story I can only comment on what is said. So much hate aimed at someone who was put in a position where he was forced to kill a young man to defend his friend. The events where put into motion by the actions of the armed criminal and he died by the decisions he made. If you don't want to get shot by armed citizens then don't rob them at gun point.

As for the citizen being lucky, while there is always risk involved, history has shown time and again that armed civillians are very capable of responably defending themselves and loved one.

Hey, jonnyghost, haven't seen you around for a while. Oh, and I'm with you on this one!
 
It is too bad that he had to die but it was his poor life choices that he paid for. The shooter saw his friend was in immiediate danger and took action. The police where not there and he was. There is nothing in the report to indicate he was an "ammosexual" waiting to play hero as the opinion artical said.

I don't know what you mean about the wild west. The shooter did not endanger any one else and acted within the law. The armed robber was more the wild west type.

This article is based off of:

http://wate.com/2015/06/15/1-person-killed-in-shooting-at-knoxville-convenience-store/

It brings to question the pros and cons of being armed... but this was an 18 year old kid...one does not know if he would have harmed anyone or if it would have been just a stop and rob... I will not argue that there was fault in the shooting...if some one was threating another with a gun, why wait and see what his or her intentions are...a pointed gun is clear enough intent to me... but... this kid was handed an unexpected death penalty... what is to keep us from returning to the days of the wild west? I am all for the right to be armed for this reason... but criminals will always find a way... and stop and robs are just way too convenient payday for some... what is the next step?
 
It is too bad that he had to die but it was his poor life choices that he paid for. The shooter saw his friend was in immiediate danger and took action. The police where not there and he was. There is nothing in the report to indicate he was an "ammosexual" waiting to play hero as the opinion artical said.

I don't know what you mean about the wild west. The shooter did not endanger any one else and acted within the law. The armed robber was more the wild west type.

I agree nothing in either the story or news articles I have run across supports this ammosexual idea... I believe that if you have it and know how to use it...it does you zero good sitting in your safe at home...
However... if one follows the article to its conclusion, and look at related news... more citizens are taking the law into their own hands and not calling law enforcement until afterwards... I do not agree with ammosexual terminology being added...more of a case of the media making bigger fuss about something for a buck....
However, looking at the relationship between citizens and law enforcement and how quickly it is deterating with the help of the media... I wonder about the possibility of citizen police forces growing again... or becoming more wild west where citizens take the actions necessary and hope the legal system does not crack down on them for protecting them selves...
 
The cops where not there and in most cases can not arrive until the situation is over. He was there and took apropriate action within his legal rights. His only other option was to wait and see if the robber was going to start shooting and then it's to late.
 
The cops where not there and in most cases can not arrive until the situation is over. He was there and took apropriate action within his legal rights. His only other option was to wait and see if the robber was going to start shooting and then it's to late.

I agree...however, I am looking further... trying to be careful here and not get in trouble :D
Waiting is a very bad idea in these situations... I agree that he did was one of the proper reactions...

However, where does this end?

Currently we have two sides of an argument where no one wants to even try to compromise...have the government doing whatever while the two dogs fight.... and no one really looking further than their own nose...

This article stuck me because now it wants to attack people doing what the law says they are allowed to do... even going so far as throwing the term ammosexual in there for a nice little twist...

We are currently in a time that criminals are mourned but our true ... dare I say heroes....are shamed? There is a rot in our society and how we think as a whole...
 
What is ammosexual

Depends on who uses it... in essence it means someone who loves guns and ammo... some are trying to turn this term ugly others are trying to have the term just mean someone who has a passion for guns and shooting...
 
http://wate.com/2015/06/19/mother-o...ry-suspect-believes-killer-should-be-charged/

http://bearingarms.com/called-911-dead-armed-robbers-mom-wants-good-guy-charged-death/

Supposedly he called 911 and when the cops show up, what would happen?

1) The robber gets money and kills the clerk and escapes before the cops show up.

2) The robber gets money but the cops show up on time so he holds the clerk as a hostage.

3) The robber gets money and kills the clerk and when the cops show up before he escapes and they kill him unless he drops the gun.

4) ?

The point is that we can't predict what would happen. I assume that's why the good guy did what he did.

What's more, the robber's mom said his past is the past and yet he was still committing this crime.
 
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Wow, finding out that Issac Scruggs is a 42 years old felon. And the kid was 18 years old felon just graduated from high school.

His parents, even his mother, had tried to raised their son. Most often, kids think they know everything and they don't need to listen to their parents. They get out of control and finding some action to fill a gap (hole) into themselves whether out in the wild parties or looking for thrills.

Having guns to protect family and property are not working that way. It caused lots of harms and heartache involving when the person don't know the felon or the robber.

Actually. I agree with his mother for Issac Scruggs is to call the police first and then make sure he is not in danger with the robber and the plight of the salesclerk.

Look at Issac Scruggs, that he had a life going through at 42 years of age of making crime over the years. He could have talked him down and tried to reason with him by dropping his gun. I know it is easy but with Issac's background and experience of being in the crime business, he should have talked to him if he could listen to Issac.

I am just making a guess on what would be the proper way to handle the situation how to handle the robber who was so young at 18 years old.
 
Wow, finding out that Issac Scruggs is a 42 years old felon. And the kid was 18 years old felon just graduated from high school.

His parents, even his mother, had tried to raised their son. Most often, kids think they know everything and they don't need to listen to their parents. They get out of control and finding some action to fill a gap (hole) into themselves whether out in the wild parties or looking for thrills.

Having guns to protect family and property are not working that way. It caused lots of harms and heartache involving when the person don't know the felon or the robber.

Actually. I agree with his mother for Issac Scruggs is to call the police first and then make sure he is not in danger with the robber and the plight of the salesclerk.

Look at Issac Scruggs, that he had a life going through at 42 years of age of making crime over the years. He could have talked him down and tried to reason with him by dropping his gun. I know it is easy but with Issac's background and experience of being in the crime business, he should have talked to him if he could listen to Issac.

I am just making a guess on what would be the proper way to handle the situation how to handle the robber who was so young at 18 years old.

I can understand where you are comming from with this... however, I have not run across anything that provides a play by play... so cannot comment on could haves...
However, in situations like this where a friend or family is threatened not many people would have the first response of trying to talk him down.
The only issue I have with waiting for the police is how many people die each year waiting for the poilice to show up...
 
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