Firefighters refuse to help

From your article.

The firefighters' union said protocol should have been to alert the entire house and run across the street to render help.

"We want to see justice done for Mr. Mills, his family," Quander said. "But we want to respect the rights of the employees. It will get done and it will be done shortly."
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Oh wow, firefighter's union is defending 2 firefighters who on leave.
 
Maybe the firefighters were only helping people who were caught in the fire of the houses. They expected someone to call the ambulance to come and take care of the man. But still it would be nice if the firefighters would be helpful as they might have the tools to save a life, even if it was on fire but it is only across the street with no fire.

That is sad that the man had to die because of that. It was a distress and emergency cry for help not realizing that they should have call 911 for ambulance to get there on time to save the man's life. Life is too short. Dang. :(
 
Now I experienced this first hand. There was a dumpster fire by my house, on the way home from the store ( I was in Highschool still) as I crossed the street and old man stopped at the sign and motioned me across, a girl looking at the firefighters didnt and hit the old man at full speed, which in turn hit me and threw be up in the air about 10 feet and about 20 feet in distance. Not one single firefighter out of 15 of them for a ****ing dumpster fire that one guy put out came to help me. Total ass hats !
 
sonocativo said:
Now I experienced this first hand. There was a dumpster fire by my house, on the way home from the store ( I was in Highschool still) as I crossed the street and old man stopped at the sign and motioned me across, a girl looking at the firefighters didnt and hit the old man at full speed, which in turn hit me and threw be up in the air about 10 feet and about 20 feet in distance. Not one single firefighter out of 15 of them for a ****ing dumpster fire that one guy put out came to help me. Total ass hats !
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What happened to the old man back then? :hmm:
 
Bebonang said:
Maybe the firefighters were only helping people who were caught in the fire of the houses. They expected someone to call the ambulance to come and take care of the man. But still it would be nice if the firefighters would be helpful as they might have the tools to save a life, even if it was on fire but it is only across the street with no fire.

That is sad that the man had to die because of that. It was a distress and emergency cry for help not realizing that they should have call 911 for ambulance to get there on time to save the man's life. Life is too short. Dang. :(
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The ambulance showed up 15 minutes later while the firefighters could save his life in less than 15 minutes. Oh well, I guess they don't want to be a hero this time.
 
Bebonang said:
What happened to the old man back then? :hmm:
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The old guy and his son were ok, he was the only one who helped me and was concerened, never heard from him after that day, but I did sue the girl for my medical bills and won. Funny she was a renter next door to my parents and her and her boyfriend were total idiots.
 
Foxrac said:
From your article.

Oh wow, firefighter's union is defending 2 firefighters who on leave.
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They aren't defending him they just telling the SOP ... what they said means that the firefighters should have either got a two way radio and contacted dispatch to alert the entire department then take the equipment needed to the scene to help the man ... or if the department had dispatching capabilities to dispatch their own department and transport to the scene ...

as far as firefighters being on a call when something else happens it takes a minute to register ... point in case ... I was working traffic control on a MVA on a busy 2 lane road and while I has traffic stopped on my end a ford ranger rear ended a fully stopped car going 55mph ... the frame of that truck bent into an A shape almost the truck bed was over the cab and the bumper of the car was in the back seat of it ... I got on my walkie and alerted command already on scene to respond medical and dispatch to re alert my department and send 2 more ambulances within a minute of the 2nd wreck ...

there is a rift between those of us who are paid and those that are volunteer ... some that are paid firefighters think they are better and that volunteer departments aren't as good even though the training standards are the same ... some volunteer departments think paid firefighters are just in it for the money and glory ...

some firefighters are just cocky and full of themselves and are usually rookies and green ... as far as those 2 that didn't do anything and the man died is bullshit ... it was 15 minutes before helped arrived he was a goner they could have been there within a minute and could have saved his life if the heart damage wasn't extremely severe or blew out an artery ... they should have their jobs terminated ... but hes gone either way theres no way to tell now if they'd have saved him or not ...
 
ncff07 said:
They aren't defending him they just telling the SOP ... what they said means that the firefighters should have either got a two way radio and contacted dispatch to alert the entire department then take the equipment needed to the scene to help the man ... or if the department had dispatching capabilities to dispatch their own department and transport to the scene ...

as far as firefighters being on a call when something else happens it takes a minute to register ... point in case ... I was working traffic control on a MVA on a busy 2 lane road and while I has traffic stopped on my end a ford ranger rear ended a fully stopped car going 55mph ... the frame of that truck bent into an A shape almost the truck bed was over the cab and the bumper of the car was in the back seat of it ... I got on my walkie and alerted command already on scene to respond medical and dispatch to re alert my department and send 2 more ambulances within a minute of the 2nd wreck ...

there is a rift between those of us who are paid and those that are volunteer ... some that are paid firefighters think they are better and that volunteer departments aren't as good even though the training standards are the same ... some volunteer departments think paid firefighters are just in it for the money and glory ...

some firefighters are just cocky and full of themselves and are usually rookies and green ... as far as those 2 that didn't do anything and the man died is bullshit ... it was 15 minutes before helped arrived he was a goner they could have been there within a minute and could have saved his life if the heart damage wasn't extremely severe or blew out an artery ... they should have their jobs terminated ... but hes gone either way theres no way to tell now if they'd have saved him or not ...
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Oh, that's interesting and thank you for educating me. :ty:

It seems like unfortunate situation. :(
 
ncff07 said:
They aren't defending him they just telling the SOP ... what they said means that the firefighters should have either got a two way radio and contacted dispatch to alert the entire department then take the equipment needed to the scene to help the man ... or if the department had dispatching capabilities to dispatch their own department and transport to the scene ...

as far as firefighters being on a call when something else happens it takes a minute to register ... point in case ... I was working traffic control on a MVA on a busy 2 lane road and while I has traffic stopped on my end a ford ranger rear ended a fully stopped car going 55mph ... the frame of that truck bent into an A shape almost the truck bed was over the cab and the bumper of the car was in the back seat of it ... I got on my walkie and alerted command already on scene to respond medical and dispatch to re alert my department and send 2 more ambulances within a minute of the 2nd wreck ...

there is a rift between those of us who are paid and those that are volunteer ... some that are paid firefighters think they are better and that volunteer departments aren't as good even though the training standards are the same ... some volunteer departments think paid firefighters are just in it for the money and glory ...

some firefighters are just cocky and full of themselves and are usually rookies and green ... as far as those 2 that didn't do anything and the man died is bullshit ... it was 15 minutes before helped arrived he was a goner they could have been there within a minute and could have saved his life if the heart damage wasn't extremely severe or blew out an artery ... they should have their jobs terminated ... but hes gone either way theres no way to tell now if they'd have saved him or not ...
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Its true that the paid firefighter think they are better than anyone else and the Volunteer firefighters think the paid firefighters should do more... I see where they stand moneywise, but they are equal in all aspect to serve their duties. Ive been through the training and its hell... but Id help anyone in distress especially if I am just standing around flapping my arms... only takes a second to say.. Hey boss Im gonna go help.
 
Just a little story of one of my experiences.
We stopped at a store for lunch, walking in there was a mobility scooter turn on its side under the front of a car parked at the curb in front of the doors, nothing unusual, didnt see anything but that. long line, long wait and back out the door WTF??? there was a 90 year old man in the scooter and people were parking over him, me and my partner dropped our shit and ran over, grabbed the old man and picked him and the scooter up and got him situated, asked if he was ok and all ( before moving him) he was ok but shooken, he got too close to the curb and toppled over, he said no one would help him and just walked by, people would park over him and say shit to him as they went in the store but never bothered to help him... he thought he was going to die there, someone was going to run over him. Now let me tell you this. This is in North St. Louis, all black area, and this was an elderly black man... and we are 2 white guys...WTF is wrong with society and with their own race as that? They dont care about anyone but themselves and I could tell you some stories you wouldnt believe as I have been in the middle of drug deals gone wrong, shoot outs...ect... My career was very interesting at time.
 
sonocativo said:
Just a little story of one of my experiences.
We stopped at a store for lunch, walking in there was a mobility scooter turn on its side under the front of a car parked at the curb in front of the doors, nothing unusual, didnt see anything but that. long line, long wait and back out the door WTF??? there was a 90 year old man in the scooter and people were parking over him, me and my partner dropped our shit and ran over, grabbed the old man and picked him and the scooter up and got him situated, asked if he was ok and all ( before moving him) he was ok but shooken, he got too close to the curb and toppled over, he said no one would help him and just walked by, people would park over him and say shit to him as they went in the store but never bothered to help him... he thought he was going to die there, someone was going to run over him. Now let me tell you this. This is in North St. Louis, all black area, and this was an elderly black man... and we are 2 white guys...WTF is wrong with society and with their own race as that? They dont care about anyone but themselves and I could tell you some stories you wouldnt believe as I have been in the middle of drug deals gone wrong, shoot outs...ect... My career was very interesting at time.
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That poor man! :( I'm glad that you two guys helped him. :ty:
 
i not defending them but is it possible they were going to a call out and could see nothing could be done for this gentleman
 
caz12 said:
i not defending them but is it possible they were going to a call out and could see nothing could be done for this gentleman
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Dont understand what you meant, but we watched people go in and out for about 45 minutes as we sat in our work vehicle waiting on an ok about a job, we didnt even know it was there til we walked past and tons of people have been in and out of the store before us passing this area ( as well as cars parking on him) but because of where we were parked we never seen the scooter til we went in. While inside there were tons of people of all ages coming and going, when we walked out the kids and some adults in front of us were pointing and laughing and just walked on til we seen what happened. As we sat the guy up all the sudden the one guy that was in front of us returned like he wanted to all the sudden help, he went for picking up the man's items and we blocked him, and told him to be on their way ( possibly trying to steal stuff) so we picked up his belongings, wallet, glasses and got him situated. We even followed the man home to make sure he got back ok and to make sure he wasnt a target to the thugs as an easy target he was know exposed as. We felt good for out good deed of the day.
 
i think they have to contact base to tell them what happened and some strange rules paramedic have...base duty supervisor may said no...It do seem cruel...Such is humanity these days....poor guy worked all these years to die like that...did not realise fire house opposite..they could at least rope off the area get ambulance down ASP
 
Lazy SOB's!...Pisses me off....When I was in the hospital...went outside to get some fresh air in-between IV's....saw a very elderly man with his IV pole trying to maneuver it over grass and a steep hill, back onto the sidewalk so he could get back into the hospital....He was black....He fell down, pole and all...NOBODY would step in to help....:shock:...I helped the old fella...(we both are old!...:giggle:), and I wasn't very strong due to my illness...but we got it back up and down the hill onto the sidewalk....

Some people just don't care!...and if I would have had a bullhorn...I would have blasted all those people to hell....
 
when i was in hospital woman near me very depressed had major abdominal operation...it was staff cross over time and this poor woman got up and her colostomy bag broke...the nurse came in screamed at the woman flung floor cloth at her told her clear it up...poor woman had i.v up not got out of bed to walk since operationmshe gone in for overian cycts and ended up with bowel cancer...this nurse had no heart or decentcy,i reported it next day but squwat was done
 
Caz, please use quotes as it appears that you and Sono are talking about two different things.....
 
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