Denied admission because of race??

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I don't know if University of Texas rejected someone because of race. I would like to think they did not.

Supreme Court to Hear Case Brought by White Student Who Claims Race Cost Her Admission to UT - Yahoo! News


Supporters of affirmative action fear that the Supreme Court could curtail or further restrict the use of race-conscious admissions policies at public universities.
On Wednesday, all eyes will be on Justice Anthony Kennedy, whose vote is considered pivotal in the case brought by a white Texan who has sued the University of Texas at Austin, claiming that she was denied admission to the school in 2008 because of her race. Abigail Fisher, who has since graduated from Louisiana State University, said she was subject to unequal treatment in violation of the 14th Amendment.
"I was taught from the time I was a little girl that any kind of discrimination was wrong, and for an institution of higher learning to act this way makes no sense to me," Fisher said in an interview clip posted on the website of the Project on Fair Representation, a legal defense foundation that's providing her with legal representation.
On the other side are lawyers for the University of Texas, who argue that, like many other universities, UT seeks to assemble a class that is diverse in innumerable ways -- including race -- and that "race is just one of many characteristics that form the mosaic presented by an applicant's file."
More than 90 friend of the court briefs have been filed in the case, with the Obama administration weighing in favor of the university. Others, who support Fisher, argue that diversity can be achieved through race-neutral programs, and that race-preferential admissions policies can do more harm than good.
"What's at issue is: (1) whether it will remain permissible to consider race in an attempt to ensure that higher level education remains integrated; and (2) whether universities or the court are going to be the ones to determine what academic diversity consists of," said David D. Cole, a professor at Georgetown Law, who believes UT's plan should be upheld.
It was only recently, in 2003, that the Supreme Court narrowly upheld the limited use of race in public university admissions policies in Grutter v. Bollinger. The five-four opinion was written by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who said that diversity was a compelling government interest. But O'Connor has since retired from the high court, and has been replaced by Justice Samuel Alito, who is more skeptical of race-conscious admissions preferences.
In 1997, the Texas legislature passed the "Top 10 Percent Law," which mandates that Texas high school seniors in the top 10 percent of their class be automatically admitted to any Texas state university. But after the Grutter decision came down, another policy was added that allows the school to consider race among several other factors for admission. Fisher did not qualify for automatic admission, and was forced to compete with other non-top-10-percent state applicants. She said she was denied admission, even though her academic credentials exceeded those of some of the admitted minority candidates.
The University of Texas, which was racially segregated during the first 70 years of its existence, argues that its current program exemplifies the type of plan the Supreme Court allowed in Grutter v. Bollinger: "Race is only one modest factor among many others weighed; it is considered only in an individualized and contextual way that examines the student in their totality."
But lawyers for Fisher said that the top 10 percent plan had made UT one of the most diverse public universities in the nation, and that the school did not need to overlay the successful race-neutral program with another one that considered race. Furthermore, they said that the school is working toward an impermissible goal of using race in admissions to mirror the demographics of Texas, which they said amounted to "racial balancing."
While Fisher's lawyers argue that Grutter should be clarified or even overturned, supporters of UT's program take solace in Kennedy's opinion in Grutter. He ruled against the University of Michigan Law School program named in that case but said, "There is no constitutional objection to the goal of considering race as one modest factor among many others to achieve diversity, but an educational institution must ensure, through sufficient procedures, that each applicant receives individual consideration and that race does not become a predominant factor in the admissions decision making."
Despite those words, Kennedy has never -- in his entire career on the bench -- voted in favor of racial preferences.
"That fact makes it hard to predict how Justice Kennedy will address this plan," said Cole. "If any plan would satisfy Justice Kennedy, it would seem that this one would because the university formulated its plan to meet the specific objections that Justice Kennedy had to the Michigan affirmative action plan."
Justice Elena Kagan will not participate in the case, because she dealt with it in her previous position as solicitor general.
Lawyers for Fortune 100 companies filed a friend of the court brief on behalf of the UT, arguing that those who have been educated in a diverse setting are "better equipped to understand a wider variety of consumer needs" and are "likely to generate a more positive work environment by decreasing incidents of discrimination and stereotyping."
Even the National Association of Basketball coaches said in briefs, "Our student athletes, and all of the students who attend our institutions, receive the best education when they are able to interact with others within a university community that is broadly diverse across its entire scope."
Filing on behalf of Abigail Fisher, three members of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights point to empirical evidence that they said shows that race-preferential admissions policies do more harm than good. "If this research is right," argued lawyers for commission members Gail Heriot, Peter Kirsanow and Todd Gaziano, "We now have fewer minority science and engineering graduates than we would have under race-neutral admissions policies."
There are six states that have laws banning the use of affirmative action in public universities (Arizona, Michigan, Nebraska, Washington, California and Florida, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures). The University of California has filed a brief arguing that its inability to consider race has hurt the school's diversity. The university said it has experimented with different strategies to address underreprestend minority student populations, but that these measures have enjoyed only "limited success," and that the school, particularly, in its most highly ranked campuses, has not been able to reverse a decline in minority admissions and enrollment.
A decision in the current case, likely to come down sometime in early 2012, could have implications for private institutions that receive federal funding, as well as hiring decisions in public institutions.
 
This happens all the time, even in public junior high and high schools where you have to take a test and score highly to be admitted. When I was taking the test to get into my junior high school, a teacher interrupted me to ask me what race I was. On the application form, I left the "race" part blank. I said White and he asked me where my parents were from. WTH? Turns out he thought I was Hispanic and Hispanics (and Black) get an automatic 10% increase on their test score!!!! The reason was to help the school have more diversity, meaning there were too many Whites and Asians passing the test and they wanted to help the minority races get into the schools so it wouldn't be mostly White. So if you were White taking the test, a minority student that scored lower than you may get into the school and you don't. Grrr!

I think that's an insult to Hispanic and Black people, and unfair to White and Asian people.


Oh, and if you refuse to answer about your race, they do an "Eyeball Test", meaning they look at you and whatever race you look like, that's what they write down in their records.
 
The answer to topic question.

Oh well, that's affirmative action for you.

Other issue - many college make more harder for deaf people to be admitted due their average score is low because of delayed to learn and English wasn't their first spoken language, but they made more easier for hearing blacks and latino students to be admitted.

That's look flawed system to me.
 
Reminds me of when I was in High School. I got a good enough score on my ACT to get accepted in college of my choice. However, my deaf classmates and me were given more time on our ACT test because of our deafness. So therefore, my score was deemed not good enough to be accepted into college. If I was given the same amount of time as hearing students, I would probably have been accepted on first try. I did get accepted later on, though.
 
Other thing, if they want to make it easier for Latinos and Blacks to get in college, good for them. What does it have to do with White people? Why would accepting Blacks and Latinos impact White people. It does look like a flawed system.
 
I don't know if University of Texas rejected someone because of race. I would like to think they did not.

They do it all the time. In Boston Latin, you won't get in if you're white. Few do, and those that are, are fortunate are blessed to have family money behind them. Affirmative Action doesn't help Asians either that are considered by many to be "the model minority" = white people with slanted eyes. It's hugely unfair to fire fighters, cops, federal employees and schools. Instead of fighting discrimination, it's created reverse discrimination. Along with Welfare, Social Security - these race quotas are another thing that needs updating.

Laura
 
In California, it is illegal for state universities to use affirmative action as part of admission decision, but in Texas, it does surprise me.
 
In California, it is illegal for state universities to use affirmative action as part of admission decision, but in Texas, it does surprise me.

Why would that not surprise you?
 
Other thing, if they want to make it easier for Latinos and Blacks to get in college, good for them. What does it have to do with White people? Why would accepting Blacks and Latinos impact White people. It does look like a flawed system.

Universities have limited space and limited funds. Selecting students based on race is not fair to non preferred races. After, this is a public university funded partly by taxpayers.
 
They do it all the time. In Boston Latin, you won't get in if you're white. Few do, and those that are, are fortunate are blessed to have family money behind them. Affirmative Action doesn't help Asians either that are considered by many to be "the model minority" = white people with slanted eyes. It's hugely unfair to fire fighters, cops, federal employees and schools. Instead of fighting discrimination, it's created reverse discrimination. Along with Welfare, Social Security - these race quotas are another thing that needs updating.

Laura

Great points.
 
Universities have limited space and limited funds. Selecting students based on race is not fair to non preferred races. After, this is a public university funded partly by taxpayers.

TXGOLFER is correct. It's a problem of expanding the school for which there is no financial up front funds. You have an institute which can take a certain number of students, dividing it up is not easy. This is even more true of Boston Latin, you don't expand a historical school in Boston.
 
because Texas didn't make affirmative action illegal.

There is no need really, Hopewood takes care of that. The teeth of affirmative action is in quotas which are prohibited.
 
There is no need really, Hopewood takes care of that. The teeth of affirmative action is in quotas which are prohibited.

Oh I see, the word "Hopewood" is new to me and I can't find any definition in search engine.
 
You have to pick where to spend money. I know that many schools like U of Texas invest heavily in sports programs---especially football. Then there is not enough left to build more dorms or hire more professors. Yeah, it's an issue at Universities all across USA and not just U of Texas.
 
You have to pick where to spend money. I know that many schools like U of Texas invest heavily in sports programs---especially football. Then there is not enough left to build more dorms or hire more professors. Yeah, it's an issue at Universities all across USA and not just U of Texas.

I don't think the UT football program costs the school money. Pretty sure it makes a HUGE profit.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised. Even FOXRAC helped UT. He bought a University of Texas Longhorns tie. :thumb: I imagine the school gets a nice chunk of that.

That logo is pretty popular. You see it everywhere in the south.
 
I wouldn't be surprised. Even FOXRAC helped UT. He bought a University of Texas Longhorns tie. :thumb: I imagine the school gets a nice chunk of that.

That logo is pretty popular. You see it everywhere in the south.

this one?

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