comparison sign language / written/spoken language

finder

New Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2012
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
How does sign language compare with written or spoken language?

Can sign language express everything written/spoken language can express?

Vocabulary like...
predicament
groom
accosted
villain
reconcile
auditive
semantic
setscrew
All possible?

Also technical / language / jargon possible?

Is sign language slower than written/spoken language?

Or better/worse?
 
How does sign language compare with written or spoken language?

Can sign language express everything written/spoken language can express?

Vocabulary like...

All possible?

Also technical / language / jargon possible?

Is sign language slower than written/spoken language?

Or better/worse?

Most sign languages can express any written words with fingerspelling. Many words in a spoken language can't be expressed in a sign language, ie missing a vocabulary. The same goes the opposite direction, many signs can't be expressed in a spoken language. You also find this between different spoken languages.

For your three last questions, yes, no, not better or worse but different.

If you discover a language that is better than another, that would be a spectacular and groundbreaking discovery in linqustics.
 
How does sign language compare with written or spoken language?

Can sign language express everything written/spoken language can express?

Vocabulary like...

Yes, but differently. Just as in English, or any spoken language, we communicate nuance and slight changes of meaning through changes in vocabulary and voice inflection, ASL communicates those things through body language, facial expression, and slight variations in body and hand movement.

Also technical / language / jargon possible?

I think it's all possible, I am not sure how common it is.

Is sign language slower than written/spoken language?

I don't think so. It seems much faster to me.

Or better/worse?

I think it's better for deaf people, especially babies who ought to be given a language in which to think ASAP, and Signing is the only way to do that, but other than that I don't think one language is better or worse than another.

I am a raw novice, so this is just my impression, not an expert opinion.
 
As I understand Fingerspelling-just uses the letters of the alphabet to compensate for the fact that not all words have specific signs.
It would seem to take a great deal time and patience to Fingerspell-say a page of textbook. Possible-yes but a great deal of time would be used-productive?
I understand each sign group- ASL VS BSL used different Fingerspelling configuration.
 
Last edited:
As I understand Fingerspelling-just uses the letters of the alphabet to compensate for the fact that not all words have specific signs.
I would seem to take a great deal time and patience to Fingerspell-say a page of textbook. Possible-yes but a great deal of time would be used-productive?
I understand each sign group- ASL VS BSL used different Fingerspelling configuration.

*Sigh*

No one would actaully fingerspell a page of text (unless they were a student practising fingerspelling).

Fingerspelling of occassionalEnglish words, is done for a nunber of reasons:

To emphases something - such as "don't BE BAD" where BE BAD are both spelled.

To be very specific about an exact meaning when translating something from English to ASL where the exact word (not concept) needs to be retained for clarity (ie in my theology classes I needed to know the difference between when the Greek, Latin, Hebrew or English "version" of a word was used as each has additional subtext - so initially the word would be fingerspelled.

Where there isn't a single word to sign parallel, so (just like with all languages) ASL "borrows" the English word in the form of fingerspelling. This isn't a "failing" or "weakness" of Sign Language, it's a fact for all languages that there are words/concepts which simply don't translate over well - so the original word is retained across multiple languages (technology and medical terms are a perfect example of this across spoken/written languages). Sometimes a word is retained not because of "complexity" but because it's adopted by the masses and then retained not translated.

An example of words being retained "from mass use" is: in many French speaking countries a hotdog is commonly called "hot-dog" (not "saucisse" etc) even though there is a perfectly "good" French word, the English word is kept in many cases. Likewise in English we use the word "doppelganger" because we lack an English word for it. Word borrowing isn't a sign of linguistic "weakness" rather a sign of growth and health.


HTH
 
Perhaps an interesting exercise to Fingerspell the "concept of Fingerspelling" as necessary adjunct to ASL.
 
Perhaps an interesting exercise to Fingerspell the "concept of Fingerspelling" as necessary adjunct to ASL.

fingerspelling is "necessary to ASL" in the same way that the use of individual roman characters is "necessary to written English", or perhaps a better example why character based / logographic written languages (Chinese, Japanese etc) where a sign character stands for a complete word or concept, also always have a written system allowing foreign words to be spelled out.




drphil, I really don't mean this to be rude, but it's likely going to read that way:

I know that you are uninterested in learning any ASL for yourself, however when people come here and post (or look in the archives for answers) they hope (and should be able to expect that) the people responding to their inquiry have actual knowledge on the topic in which they are answering.
You've made it clear on multiple occasions that you don't know sign language, you don't want to know sign language (and in your ignorance, implied that it's not as good as spoken language) - we understand and respect your point of view, but respect ours in return.
If you're going to post comments answering someone's legitimate question here - please stick to topics in which you have actual knowledge.

Posting commentaries about a language in which you have not actual knowledge doesn't help anyone.
 
Last edited:
As I have noted before- I actually took introd ASL before but don't claim to be " an expert" of which it "appears I have lots of company here".
 
As I have noted before- I actually took introd ASL before but don't claim to be " an expert" of which it "appears I have lots of company here".
'

Yes, but when I give my opinion about a topic where I am not well informed, I make it clear that I am not an expert, but only sharing my current level of understanding from the viewpoint of a novice.
 
If anyone wanted an "expert opinion" google Gallaudet et al. Ostensibly one comments here from personal experience not as a "self styled expert".
 
Back
Top