Cochlear implants associated with improved voice control over time in children who ar

[Lighthouse77]

January 18, 2010 Children with cochlear implants in both ears appear to have difficulty controlling the loudness and pitch of their voices, but these measures improve over time, according to a report in the January issue of Archives of Otolaryngology-Head & Neck Surgery.
Cochlear implants associated with improved voice control over time in children who are deaf

 

[deafdyke]

Participating children were asked to voice the vowel "a" for three seconds at a comfortable pitch and volume.

Umm so the " improvement" was based on ONE sound? Sorry but you can't extrapolarate that to general improvment in volumne and pitch.
I can learn how to make a certain sound accuratly (with good pitch and volumne) but that doesn't mean that it's applicable for the rest of my speech. (and I have a very deaf sounding voice)

 

[Bottesini]

Umm so the " improvement" was based on ONE sound? Sorry but you can't extrapolarate that to general improvment in volumne and pitch.
I can learn how to make a certain sound accuratly (with good pitch and volumne) but that doesn't mean that it's applicable for the rest of my speech. (and I have a very deaf sounding voice)

So do I, and I can't have CI anyway, but for the sake of argument, what do you care if these people want to improve their speech?

 

[Bottesini]

Umm so the " improvement" was based on ONE sound? Sorry but you can't extrapolarate that to general improvment in volumne and pitch.
I can learn how to make a certain sound accuratly (with good pitch and volumne) but that doesn't mean that it's applicable for the rest of my speech. (and I have a very deaf sounding voice)

In other words, it does not mean it isn't applicable, and it more likely is than isn't.

 

[deafdyke]

but for the sake of argument, what do you care if these people want to improve their speech?

I don't care at all. It's just that the research is misleading , and may lead parents to think " Oh wittle Smashlie can learn to speak without a deaf voice ALL the time if only she's in speech therapy 24/7.

 

[faire_jour]

I don't care at all. It's just that the research is misleading , and may lead parents to think " Oh wittle Smashlie can learn to speak without a deaf voice ALL the time if only she's in speech therapy 24/7.

My god, I am tired of your bigoted remarks about hearing parents of deaf children. You have no idea what they think or feel, so why do you insist on making assine, offensive assumptions about them?

 

[Bottesini]

I don't care at all. It's just that the research is misleading , and may lead parents to think " Oh wittle Smashlie can learn to speak without a deaf voice ALL the time if only she's in speech therapy 24/7.

My god, I am tired of your bigoted remarks about hearing parents of deaf children. You have no idea what they think or feel, so why do you insist on making assine, offensive assumptions about them?

I get tired of it too. My parents wanted me to learn to speak, no matter with deaf voice or not.

Since illness my articulation is even worse that it was. There is really nothing evil in intent in these parents and I am sure that if the child does not learn speech at all they will love it just as much.

And with luck learn sign for the child.

 

[JennyB]

Umm so the " improvement" was based on ONE sound? Sorry but you can't extrapolarate that to general improvment in volumne and pitch.
I can learn how to make a certain sound accuratly (with good pitch and volumne) but that doesn't mean that it's applicable for the rest of my speech. (and I have a very deaf sounding voice)

As a linguist I can tell you that doing studies based on open data is a challenge. You need to pick one variable to study in order to make any sort of usable data. the /a/ vowel sound is a very open vowel - so there is little constriction in the vocal track. This gives it a lot of potential for loud volume and pitch possibilities. I would think if you were going to study the ability to control voume and pitch that the /a/ phoneme would be a good one to study.

So - I do think they can make an accurate study from this. IMHO.

 

[Bottesini]

As a linguist I can tell you that doing studies based on open data is a challenge. You need to pick one variable to study in order to make any sort of usable data. the /a/ vowel sound is a very open vowel - so there is little constriction in the vocal track. This gives it a lot of potential for loud volume and pitch possibilities. I would think if you were going to study the ability to control voume and pitch that the /a/ phoneme would be a good one to study.

So - I do think they can make an accurate study from this. IMHO.

Thanks for that great explanation, JennyB.

 

[deafdyke]

You have no idea what they think or feel, so why do you insist on making assine, offensive assumptions about them?

Oh I don't do I? MY parents (and many other parents) went through the process of grieving/wishing their kids were healthy and normal.
Oral only really does capitalize on that grief. It's basic psychology! I have been to oral only conferences and interacted with parents who have chosen oral only.
Oral only REALLY does capitalize on that grief, and tells parents. "YES! Your kid can be "normal!" and function entirely in the mainstream!" Yes, there are some parents who chose oral as another skill/language but those parents tend to be in the minority. ( I do support those parents thou)
You just don't understand the psychcology that oral only advocates use. I know a lot of parents of post oral only kids (now adults) and they say that they should have gotten over the grieving for a "healthy normal" kid, and given their kid a full toolbox.(and MANY of those kids were oral sucesses
Yes, many of the parents who chose oral only feel like they are only trying to do the right thing for their kid......Their heart is in the right place. Oral skills are quite valueable, and as many dhh kids as possible should be able to develop them. But at the same time "alternative" " disabilty" methods and accomondations can be just as valueable and help kids too!
Jenny, thanks for the explanation. It still seems more like learnign how to accuratly pronounce a foriegn language word, rather then being helpful globally. It is reinforcing linguistic theroy, which is good. But the question is if that skill will be useful outside testing or/and in a global sittuion. That's all.
We'll see though.

 

[shel90]

Oh I don't do I? MY parents (and many other parents) went through the process of grieving/wishing their kids were healthy and normal.
Oral only really does capitalize on that grief. It's basic psychology! I have been to oral only conferences and interacted with parents who have chosen oral only.
Oral only REALLY does capitalize on that grief, and tells parents. "YES! Your kid can be "normal!" and function entirely in the mainstream!" Yes, there are some parents who chose oral as another skill/language but those parents tend to be in the minority. ( I do support those parents thou)
You just don't understand the psychcology that oral only advocates use. I know a lot of parents of post oral only kids (now adults) and they say that they should have gotten over the grieving for a "healthy normal" kid, and given their kid a full toolbox.(and MANY of those kids were oral sucesses
Yes, many of the parents who chose oral only feel like they are only trying to do the right thing for their kid......Their heart is in the right place. Oral skills are quite valueable, and as many dhh kids as possible should be able to develop them. But at the same time "alternative" " disabilty" methods and accomondations can be just as valueable and help kids too!
Jenny, thanks for the explanation. It still seems more like learnign how to accuratly pronounce a foriegn language word, rather then being helpful globally. It is reinforcing linguistic theroy, which is good. But the question is if that skill will be useful outside testing or/and in a global sittuion. That's all.
We'll see though.

I totally agree with you. I have seen and experienced the same too when it comes to the oral only approach. My mom grieved again when my brother was recommended by my public school to go to the deaf school because according to them he was an "oral" failure.

That is already a turn off for me towards the oral-only philosophy for life.

 

[Lighthouse77]

I don't care if the parents want them to speak. I only care that they purposely refuse sign language because they think it will keep their children from speaking. And left them feeling isolated, left out, no bonding with the family, etc.

 

[shel90]

I don't care if the parents want them to speak. I only care that they purposely refuse sign language because they think it will keep their children from speaking. And left them feeling isolated, left out, no bonding with the family, etc.

That's how I feel too..that's why I support BOTH not one or the other. Usually society supports oral-only..only because they function in an oral-only environment without realizing that they CAN also function in a sign-only environment too.

 

[Lighthouse77]

I'm also disturbed that many of our education are miss out because we are too busy training our ears. there should have been sign language for social studies and such so we won't be behind.

 

[deafdyke]

I'm also disturbed that many of our education are miss out because we are too busy training our ears. there should have been sign language for social studies and such so we won't be behind.

THAT is an awesome point! Many kids who are not oral " superstars" may miss out on TONS of content. HELLO. It's a fact that by concentrating on oral, you're forgetting that visual processing is a STRENGH for most dhh kids.

 

[wildcard]

incomplete test.

I flunked school because I couldn't hear right.