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Hello everyone. This is my first post. I am Michael. I oral and late deaf.
Recently I have become more and more aware that we are losing many of your deaf children. I am talking about deaf boys from 16-28 years old. We are losing them because main-streaming schools just aren't working. Deaf culture is dying slowly! And deaf boys have few role models in the media to admire. Just yesterday I asked my young friend if he would like 100 shiny pennies or a clean new one dollar bill. He chose the 100 pennies. He also graduated 2 years ago from MSD. What is going on???

What going on in our deaf schools. Got any comments? I'd like to see them.
Discouraged in Maryland
 
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packardcnn said:
Hello everyone. This is my first post. I am Michael. I oral and late deaf.
Recently I have become more and more aware that we are losing many of your deaf children. I am talking about deaf boys from 16-28 years old. We are losing them because main-streaming schools just aren't working. Deaf culture is dying slowly! And deaf boys have few role models in the media to admire. Just yesterday I asked my young friend if he would like 100 shiny pennies or a clean new one dollar bill. He chose the 100 pennies. He also graduated 2 years ago from MSD. What is going on???

What going on in our deaf schools. Got any comments? I'd like to see them.
Discouraged in Maryland
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I'm trying to figure what you mean. Are these 16 to 28-year-old young men being set up for loss while they're still children? By which system, schools for the deaf or mainstream public schools? To whom or what are they being lost?

I agree we need more realistic role models for the deaf than the actors who speak flawlessly and lip-read with 110% accuracy, even from the side.

As for the money puzzle, I'd also fail despite having a few diplomas, because I'd welcome two rolls of pennies to fill empty spaces in my coin collection.

Welcome to AD. Lots of people here with good answers. Maybe some aren't as puzzled as I am, but you might want to reword for others.
 
Chase said:
I'm trying to figure what you mean. Are these 16 to 28-year-old young men being set up for loss while they're still children? By which system, schools for the deaf or mainstream public schools? To whom or what are they being lost?

I agree we need more realistic role models for the deaf than the actors who speak flawlessly and lip-read with 110% accuracy, even from the side.

As for the money puzzle, I'd also fail despite having a few diplomas, because I'd welcome two rolls of pennies to fill empty spaces in my coin collection.

Welcome to AD. Lots of people here with good answers. Maybe some aren't as puzzled as I am, but you might want to reword for others.
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I don`t know what he means either. :confused:
 
packardcnn said:
Hello everyone. This is my first post. I am Michael. I oral and late deaf.
Recently I have become more and more aware that we are losing many of your deaf children. I am talking about deaf boys from 16-28 years old. We are losing them because main-streaming schools just aren't working. Deaf culture is dying slowly! And deaf boys have few role models in the media to admire. Just yesterday I asked my young friend if he would like 100 shiny pennies or a clean new one dollar bill. He chose the 100 pennies. He also graduated 2 years ago from MSD. What is going on???

What going on in our deaf schools. Got any comments? I'd like to see them.
Discouraged in Maryland
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I agree with u that mainstreaming deaf children are not working for the majority.

The problem at the deaf schools lies with this reason,

Too many kids enter the deaf schools after years of being in the mainstreamed programs and falling so far behind. By the time they enter the deaf schools, they have significant language delays from being in a restrictive environments both in school and at home and those delays affect them for the rest of their lives.
 
I think that part of the problem is the way people work with these deaf children.

I'm the only deaf person in my family, but my parents still encouraged me to do better while I was growing up.

There are a lot of deaf kids with hearing families. Those hearing parents will just let their deaf kids learn at school only. So, they end up not getting education at school and at home.

Also, parents blame the school of something gets too hard for their deaf children. So, teachers end up making the program easier. They also have to maintain a steady learning schedule for everyone... especially after the slow person.

Let's take a hearing class for instance. If there's a student going slower in class. They will work with him after school or have a meeting with the parents to discuss what to do with that kid.

With a deaf kid, if that deaf kid goes slower... then the teacher usually has to slow down so that one deaf kid can understand. That results in everyone else going slower.

I had to deal with that a lot when I was growing up. However, a lot of my teachers actually considered placing me and a few other deaf students in mainstream classes for some subjects such as science and math. So, we were able to stay at grade level.

By the time I was in high school, those deaf students who took mainstream classes with me were the ones who graduated at grade level. Those who didn't, graduated at 3rd to 7th grade level.

I guess it's cuz some people are putting too much pity on deaf students that those deaf students are not being challenged enough to do better.
 
Chase said:
I'm trying to figure what you mean. Are these 16 to 28-year-old young men being set up for loss while they're still children? By which system, schools for the deaf or mainstream public schools? To whom or what are they being lost?

I agree we need more realistic role models for the deaf than the actors who speak flawlessly and lip-read with 110% accuracy, even from the side.

As for the money puzzle, I'd also fail despite having a few diplomas, because I'd welcome two rolls of pennies to fill empty spaces in my coin collection.

Welcome to AD. Lots of people here with good answers. Maybe some aren't as puzzled as I am, but you might want to reword for others.
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BTW, welcome to AD.

Agreed with the money puzzle. One hundred shiny pennies and a dollar bill are of equal value monetarily. Choosing either will not result in a loss. Perhaps one needed to follow with the question, "Why would you choose the pennies?" There could have been a valid explanation for the choice.

Now had he asked, "Would you rather have 5 shiny pennies or a dollar bill?", and the five pennies were chosen based on the concept of 5 is more than 1, it would indicate some serious delays in the development of theory of mind, and would be an issue of concern.
 
shel90 said:
I agree with u that mainstreaming deaf children are not working for the majority.

The problem at the deaf schools lies with this reason,

Too many kids enter the deaf schools after years of being in the mainstreamed programs and falling so far behind. By the time they enter the deaf schools, they have significant language delays from being in a restrictive environments both in school and at home and those delays affect them for the rest of their lives.
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**nodding**
 
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