CART gives you headaches?

[Barbaro]

If CART gives you headaches, how will you get through?

I know looking at the monitor too long can be bad for your eyes. After the class, you start seeing lights for a short time.


How do you handle it?

 

[Jazzberry]

If CART gives you headaches, how will you get through?

I know looking at the monitor too long can be bad for your eyes. After the class, you start seeing lights for a short time.


How do you handle it?

I've used CART in:

meetings (60 - 90 mins usually)
classes (up to 3 hours with a break)
and, even once in a small claims court

I've used it when the text was shown on a large screen for the entire room and when it was shown on a laptop screen just for me.

I've never experienced your reaction.

I hope it's just eye strain and that all it means is you could use a new pair of eyeglasses. Or perhaps eyeglasses with tinting to deal with monitor glare. But regardless, I would see either an optometrist or an eye doctor soon and get his or her opinion.


Before you go to that appt., think about whether reading newspapers, magazines or books gives you headaches. What about watching TV or working on the computer? And when you think about how you feel in those other situations, are they as long a stretch as a class?

Those answers may help you and an optometrist figure out how to handle this.

 

[jillio]

Perhaps it is not an issue with eyestrain at all, but the issue of excessive stress that occurs in the extended periods of intense concentration. Just as occurs in lip reading situations.

 

[shel90]

Oh yea...it did give me massive headaches and sore eyes after 45 mins of reading them and most of my classes were 3 hours long. That was why I decided to say , "f**** CART and get an ASL terp although I was just learning ASL at the time."

 

[deafskeptic]

Perhaps it is not an issue with eyestrain at all, but the issue of excessive stress that occurs in the extended periods of intense concentration. Just as occurs in lip reading situations.

My face tends to ache after a full day of lipreading.. so i would imagine that CART would have the same effect on me.

 

[Barbaro]

I do wear glasses. I also have a dry eye/allergy condition. However, I'm a graphic designer, and used to work on web pages for hours on the laptop/desktop, but I've never had any headaches. Eye strain is not too bad.

I think it may have to do something with large fonts, and CART writer types it while it scrolls up.

Perhaps the scroll thing could put stress on my eyes?

I do lipread, but I've never had headaches from that.


EDIT: I was given an option.. it is either CART or interpreter. I have some issues with notetaking. You know, they don't really put down everything.

 

[Smithtr]

that is true I have headache pain eyeglass problem crap I know problem many time often I know risk headache!

 

[Jazzberry]

I do wear glasses. I also have a dry eye/allergy condition. However, I'm a graphic designer, and used to work on web pages for hours on the laptop/desktop, but I've never had any headaches. Eye strain is not too bad.

I think it may have to do something with large fonts, and CART writer types it while it scrolls up. Perhaps the scroll thing could put stress on my eyes?

I like the way you were able to pinpoint what is different about the CART situation. Perhaps you could ask the CART reporter if its possible for him/her to fill up the screen before he or she scrolls it up. Maybe less frequent scrolling would help? Or the reporter may have other ideas if he/she's been at it awhile.

I do lipread, but I've never had headaches from that.


EDIT: I was given an option.. it is either CART or interpreter. I have some issues with notetaking. You know, they don't really put down everything.

Oh, I know. I had a few note takers, it really didn't work out well. In my case they were fellow student note takers and there is really only time to write down the notes that will serve to jog your memory or are in the area you know less well. Not enough time to write down everything. So every student's notes will be different, and incomplete. Plus, like one of my teachers said, its more important to think about what the lecturer is saying than write notes. You can't think about what the lecture is about if you are scrambling to try to write down every spoken syllable.

I think the fellow student note taking option is a joke. /end rant

 

[Oddball]

I had experienced with CART system at UNLV one time years ago and even with CART system, I did not do well in classes. I did request for ASL interpreters for my classes at UNLV, but interpreters were hard to find. I decided to withdrew from UNLV and got accepted into U of A in Tucson where I got interpreters and note taking services. I did it very well on classes. Same went for RIT and SFSU later on.

 

[jillio]

I do wear glasses. I also have a dry eye/allergy condition. However, I'm a graphic designer, and used to work on web pages for hours on the laptop/desktop, but I've never had any headaches. Eye strain is not too bad.

I think it may have to do something with large fonts, and CART writer types it while it scrolls up.

Perhaps the scroll thing could put stress on my eyes?

I do lipread, but I've never had headaches from that.


EDIT: I was given an option.. it is either CART or interpreter. I have some issues with notetaking. You know, they don't really put down everything.

The scrolling will definately add more strain and stress. Your eyes are trying to focus on the print and the scrolling at the same time. And, you can't control the speed to a level that would be more comfortable.

 

[jillio]

I had experienced with CART system at UNLV one time years ago and even with CART system, I did not do well in classes. I did request for ASL interpreters for my classes at UNLV, but interpreters were hard to find. I decided to withdrew from UNLV and got accepted into U of A in Tucson where I got interpreters and note taking services. I did it very well on classes. Same went for RIT and SFSU later on.

I really find it strange that so many people try to use CART as a replacement for a terp. The terp and CART provide 2 very different functions. Ideally, they would work together, not replace one with the other.

 

[jillio]

I like the way you were able to pinpoint what is different about the CART situation. Perhaps you could ask the CART reporter if its possible for him/her to fill up the screen before he or she scrolls it up. Maybe less frequent scrolling would help? Or the reporter may have other ideas if he/she's been at it awhile.



Oh, I know. I had a few note takers, it really didn't work out well. In my case they were fellow student note takers and there is really only time to write down the notes that will serve to jog your memory or are in the area you know less well. Not enough time to write down everything. So every student's notes will be different, and incomplete. Plus, like one of my teachers said, its more important to think about what the lecturer is saying than write notes. You can't think about what the lecture is about if you are scrambling to try to write down every spoken syllable.

I think the fellow student note taking option is a joke. /end rant

The student has the option of requesting a professional notetaker. Unfortunately, not many students know that.

 

[Oddball]

I really find it strange that so many people try to use CART as a replacement for a terp. The terp and CART provide 2 very different functions. Ideally, they would work together, not replace one with the other.

Yes, I know. CART works for some people, but it is not for me. I'd rather terps and notetaking services. I feel that CART provides too much information on it..which it overwhelmed me. Yes, that's so strange.

 

[Jazzberry]

I had experienced with CART system at UNLV one time years ago and even with CART system, I did not do well in classes. I did request for ASL interpreters for my classes at UNLV, but interpreters were hard to find. I decided to withdrew from UNLV and got accepted into U of A in Tucson where I got interpreters and note taking services. I did it very well on classes. Same went for RIT and SFSU later on.

I really find it strange that so many people try to use CART as a replacement for a terp. The terp and CART provide 2 very different functions. Ideally, they would work together, not replace one with the other.

Wow, that is great! I never realized that one could get more than one accommodation for the same class. And if I understood Oddball's post, he was able to get that at 3 of his schools.

The student has the option of requesting a professional notetaker. Unfortunately, not many students know that.

That was never an option I was informed about. I was under the impression that the school had to offer accommodations, but what they offered was up to them. If you didn't like it, go to another school, power of the free markets, etc., etc.

I had graduated college a long time before the ADA passed but I sometimes took computer programming classes at a university's school of continuing education for adults. Those classes cost much less than the ones that people take for credit towards a bachelor's or master's degree. I felt that I learned just as much if not more though, so that's why I took them. I didn't know if I had the same rights for an expensive accommodation as a student going for a bachelor or master's degree. I still fought for it though. But I got better at it over time, I definitely got services that weren't worth anything (e.g., student notetakers) before I knew better.

Would there happen to be a general understanding of what type of accommodations schools are required to offer their D/d/HH students listed anywhere? From a source independent of the schools?

 

[jillio]

Wow, that is great! I never realized that one could get more than one accommodation for the same class. And if I understood Oddball's post, he was able to get that at 3 of his schools.



That was never an option I was informed about. I was under the impression that the school had to offer accommodations, but what they offered was up to them. If you didn't like it, go to another school, power of the free markets, etc., etc.

I had graduated college a long time before the ADA passed but I sometimes took computer programming classes at a university's school of continuing education for adults. Those classes cost much less than the ones that people take for credit towards a bachelor's or master's degree. I felt that I learned just as much if not more though, so that's why I took them. I didn't know if I had the same rights for an expensive accommodation as a student going for a bachelor or master's degree. I still fought for it though. But I got better at it over time, I definitely got services that weren't worth anything (e.g., student notetakers) before I knew better.

Would there happen to be a general understanding of what type of accommodations schools are required to offer their D/d/HH students listed anywhere? From a source independent of the schools?

I actually designed a professional notetaker training program for a college to use. A student sharing their notes is not the same thing as providing a notetaker for the Deaf student.

 

[Jazzberry]

I actually designed a professional notetaker training program for a college to use. A student sharing their notes is not the same thing as providing a notetaker for the Deaf student.

Wow! That's impressive!

I am curious though if the laws requiring schools/colleges/universities to accommodate D/d/HH students have developed to the point where students can go to a neutral source and find out what they are, and not rely upon their own school to tell them.

My understanding is that these sort of things take time. First you have a law passed like, for example, the ADA. Then over time, bureaucrats develop regulations; cases go to court and eventually a body of case law and precedents is created; states, cities and towns pass their own laws; and so on. Then finally, years after the first law was passed, most people can know what is required and can get this information from a neutral source.

 

[Barbaro]

At my other school, they usually pay students $50 to write notes. My school currently doesn't have notetaking services. They hand me their free carbon copy papers and find a volunteer in my class to write down for me. They don't pay students to do it.

The first week at my school was tough. Terp showed up late twice (10-15 minutes). He said that he had hard time looking for a spot to park his car. Ridiculous. My class starts at 9. He has plenty of times to show up at school.

My CART writer did not even show up, because next early morning, the office emailed me that my CART writer's got the wrong room number, and could not make it to my class. I was thinking,"What the hell is that? Why can't CART writer look around and ask questions?" It is common sense.

My other CART writer was a bit late, and it took her 10 minutes to set up the CART. Wonderful. It's been three days since I finally got a copy from CART writer. Well, she did not really emailed all of the transcripts. It is half of what is left.

Whatever I have an emergency, I contact interpreter coordinator immediately, but I can't text her. She only gives me her email and VP #. It takes a while for her to answer.

Lovely.

/ end rant

 

[Smithtr]

I actually designed a professional notetaker training program for a college to use. A student sharing their notes is not the same thing as providing a notetaker for the Deaf student.

that is good I hear you professional expert

 

[Reba]

Wow, you certainly don't need the additional stress!

...The first week at my school was tough. Terp showed up late twice (10-15 minutes). He said that he had hard time looking for a spot to park his car. Ridiculous. My class starts at 9. He has plenty of times to show up at school.

I can sympathize with the parking problem. I have a staff parking decal, and still I can't always find a parking spot. People double park, park on the grass, medians, no-parking zones, and public side streets, get tickets--still, not enough parking. I've learned to arrive at least an hour early, and sit in my car until class time. Many students do that, too. You should see all the people sleeping in their cars!

I can understand maybe not knowing about the parking situation once but not twice.

My CART writer did not even show up, because next early morning, the office emailed me that my CART writer's got the wrong room number, and could not make it to my class. I was thinking,"What the hell is that? Why can't CART writer look around and ask questions?" It is common sense.

I've had that happen to me, too. When I get the assignment information from the disabilities service coordinator, I double check it all independently myself. I've found mistakes in room number, instructor's name, subject title, times, and dates. If I find a discrepancy, I get back to the coordinator to verify the information. Also, I've shown up at rooms only to find a note taped to the door saying that the room has been changed to another building across campus. Grrr!

One problem at my school is that students are connected to the college information loop via student email but I'm not included. When there is a change of schedule or location or a cancellation, they get informed but I don't.

However, I'm so proactive that I usually end up telling the students and staff what's going on rather than the other way around.

My other CART writer was a bit late, and it took her 10 minutes to set up the CART. Wonderful. It's been three days since I finally got a copy from CART writer. Well, she did not really emailed all of the transcripts. It is half of what is left.

That's bad.

Whatever I have an emergency, I contact interpreter coordinator immediately, but I can't text her. She only gives me her email and VP #. It takes a while for her to answer.

Each time I meet a new student, I give the student my business card that includes my email address and cell phone number (text and voice). I encourage them to feel free to contact me directly.

My recommendation would be to get a CART provider for note taking, and a terp for classroom lecture and interaction. Also, in the CART agreement, specification of the kind of notes you want, and modes and deadlines for getting them. Also, request direct contact information from the terps.

 

[jillio]

At my other school, they usually pay students $50 to write notes. My school currently doesn't have notetaking services. They hand me their free carbon copy papers and find a volunteer in my class to write down for me. They don't pay students to do it.

The first week at my school was tough. Terp showed up late twice (10-15 minutes). He said that he had hard time looking for a spot to park his car. Ridiculous. My class starts at 9. He has plenty of times to show up at school.

My CART writer did not even show up, because next early morning, the office emailed me that my CART writer's got the wrong room number, and could not make it to my class. I was thinking,"What the hell is that? Why can't CART writer look around and ask questions?" It is common sense.

My other CART writer was a bit late, and it took her 10 minutes to set up the CART. Wonderful. It's been three days since I finally got a copy from CART writer. Well, she did not really emailed all of the transcripts. It is half of what is left.

Whatever I have an emergency, I contact interpreter coordinator immediately, but I can't text her. She only gives me her email and VP #. It takes a while for her to answer.

Lovely.

/ end rant

Right. The ideal notetaker would be an upper level student who has already completed the course for which they are hired to take notes. And they take the notes specifically geared toward the deaf student's needs. When a volunteer just shares their notes, they are taking notes geared to their own needs and those are generally not very helpful for the deaf student. We handled notetaker issues in the same way that tutors were trained and had them sign the same confidentiality agreement that the terps signed.