brain stem inplants being inflicted on deafie kids....

It's kind of like you were the only deaf person in the world who didn't already understand this.
 
Either that or you think the rest of us are so stupid we can't understand.
 
Bottesini said:
It's kind of like you were the only deaf person in the world who didn't already understand this.
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Oh i understand this bots...im just provoking discussion..
its all we really can do, chat away, as the drills turn......
 
Bottesini said:
Either that or you think the rest of us are so stupid we can't understand.
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Cmon bots....maybe there is another alternative...like i wish to discuss thiS with people like me and you..Deafies..
now
Im gonna spark a fatty....
Heres a hug....
 
I thought ABI weren't as effective as CIs. I also thought that they were for very specific etiologies of deafness.
I also wonder.....There is something called the BAHA. Why isn't the BAHA a threat to the community and kids learning sign?
 
ANd what are iNplants? I've heard of iMplants, but not iNplants....Since there is no such thing is iNplants there are not a threat. BTW here's my thinking.... Deaf culture survived hearing aids, it has survived CIs. It will survive any and every technological "improvement" b/c hearing with devices is pretty much not as good as natural hearing person hearing. HOH people are not hearing. About the only difference between them and deaf people is that HOH people have a bit more access to sound. That doesn't make them hearing. That's like saying that a legally blind person is sighted b/c they make good use of their residual vision.
 
deafdyke said:
ANd what are iNplants? I've heard of iMplants, but not iNplants....Since there is no such thing is iNplants there are not a threat. BTW here's my thinking.... Deaf culture survived hearing aids, it has survived CIs. It will survive any and every technological "improvement" b/c hearing with devices is pretty much not as good as natural hearing person hearing. HOH people are not hearing. About the only difference between them and deaf people is that HOH people have a bit more access to sound. That doesn't make them hearing. That's like saying that a legally blind person is sighted b/c they make good use of their residual vision.
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I disagree.just because we have against the odds so far been able to survive against the hearie ideological drive and impulse to rid the world of our culture and people like us Deaf, doesnt in the least add up To we will always be able To. Given the forces arrayed and aligned, with deep pockets, and a very deep investment in the cure of deafness. As in if they have their way....us Deaf will be a fossil, a museum peiece. a curious artifact. That translates into the ridding the world of sign. Our language, thats long term, short term we are a frog in the pot, the water keeops rising slowly in temp, yet we do not notice due to the slow increase we are getting boiled...we see the specatcle, ASL accepted as a language, being offered in more collges, more herie learning more dabbling...this is good but its almost a smoke screen, a diversion to what is actually happining to our culture...
We are the frog, the temp is ci and all other ideoogical drivin technologies of.normalization and assimilation, the water is the confluence of interests, medics, technical, ideological that is convincinf a great many,. Deaf that we need them foe s full life, that Deaf is not leading s full life without their hawked product, they are succedding.
i am not as optimistic as you.
The pyhisical technology is just one aspect of the ideology that deafness is an affliction and needs to be cured.
and that ideal isnt going anywhere.
one of the deepest contridictions of this time is the apperent acceptance of sign as a full and living language, and the concurent ideological and technical drive to cure the very reason for its being...
Im not going to assume just because wE have saved our language and culture so far, that we always will...
ThaT to me is rather short sighted.
Gotta a light?
 
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deafdyke said:
I thought ABI weren't as effective as CIs. I also thought that they were for very specific etiologies of deafness.
I also wonder.....There is something called the BAHA. Why isn't the BAHA a threat to the community and kids learning sign?
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They are for. Certain kind of deaf, just another weaon in their arsonal thats all...
why do you think baha are not a threat?.
 
Again you don't get it. Hearing technology DOES NOT MAKE A DEAF PERSON HEARING! At best it makes them HARD of hearing. It is a HEARING PERSON"S thinking that residual hearing makes a deaf person hearing.
You're in essence saying that HOH people cannot identify as Deaf.
 
BTW, here in the US the bubble of implantation is going to burst. Our health care system is 100% capitalist. Pretty soon people are going to be unable to afford the costs associated with hearing aids and CIs!
 
It is just surgery and I don't like having a surgeon or doctor messing with cochlear for stem cells. I would rather be natural, even I am wearing hearing aid.

I doubt that this is not going to happen. Hearing people are weird and close minded about our deafness and not understanding our deaf perspectives. :(

Well, I better get to bed as I have to get up in the morning. Good night. :wave:
 
deafdyke said:
Again you don't get it. Hearing technology DOES NOT MAKE A DEAF PERSON HEARING! At best it makes them HARD of hearing. It is a HEARING PERSON"S thinking that residual hearing makes a deaf person hearing.
You're in essence saying that HOH people cannot identify as Deaf.
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YouR not getting it. The technology itself is just a tool, its the ideology that is the dAnger.I think A Good way to look at this is to ask by what measure is technoloies ci as an example declared a success?
and so im clear im NOT ssying those with ci are not deaf. Im saying the end goal of those whocreste, and hawk and keep the technology alive with its partner ideology have that as a goal.
I dont hold the medical discourse or construct of deafness.
They do.
we shoulD take them at ttheir word...(pun intended)
with kids.as an example its never just about the implsnt is it?
 
deafdyke said:
BTW, here in the US the bubble of implantation is going to burst. Our health care system is 100% capitalist. Pretty soon people are going to be unable to afford the costs associated with hearing aids and CIs!
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We will see...
 
hoichi said:
YouR not getting it. The technology itself is just a tool, its the ideology that is the dAnger.I think A Good way to look at this is to ask by what measure is technoloies ci as an example declared a success?
and so im clear im NOT ssying those with ci are not deaf. Im saying the end goal of those whocreste, and hawk and keep the technology alive with its partner ideology have that as a goal.
I dont hold the medical discourse or construct of deafness.
They do.
we shoulD take them at ttheir word...(pun intended)
with kids.as an example its never just about the implsnt is it?
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Yes, I do agree that the mentality that HOH kids aren't really deaf is really stupid. And the ideology that hearing technology is enough is ALSO really stupid.
 
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