Brain and Language

[loml]

Interesting article, if you wish to read the entire piece please pm me.

A visual hemifield experiment investigated hemispheric specialization among hearing children and adults and prelingually, profoundly deaf youngsters who were exposed intensively to Cued Speech (CS). Of interest was whether deaf CS users, who undergo a development of phonology and grammar of the spoken language similar to that of hearing youngsters, would display similar laterality patterns in the processing of written language. Semantic, rhyme, and visual judgement tasks were used. In the visual task no VF advantage was observed. A RVF (left hemisphere) advantage was obtained for both the deaf and the hearing subjects for the semantic task, supporting Neville’s claim that the acquisition of competence in the grammar of language is critical in establishing the specialization of the left hemisphere for language. For the rhyme task, however, a RVF advantage was obtained for the hearing subjects, but not for the deaf ones, suggesting that different neural resources are recruited by deaf and hearing subjects. Hearing the sounds of language may be necessary to develop left lateralised processing of rhymes.

Murielle D’Hondt and Jacqueline Leybaert (2003) Lateralization effects during

semantic and rhyme judgement tasks in deaf and hearing subjects

Brain and Language Volume 87, Issue 2, November 2003, Pages 227-240

 

[jillio]

Interesting article, if you wish to read the entire piece please pm me.



Murielle D’Hondt and Jacqueline Leybaert (2003) Lateralization effects during

semantic and rhyme judgement tasks in deaf and hearing subjects

Brain and Language Volume 87, Issue 2, November 2003, Pages 227-240

Is there a reason you didn't post the link? The absract leaves numerous questions unanswered, and basically has no value in interpreting the results of any study. I suspect that you are simply Googling anything that matches your search terms.

 

[loml]

Back at ya

Is there a reason you didn't post the link? The absract leaves numerous questions unanswered, and basically has no value in interpreting the results of any study. I suspect that you are simply Googling anything that matches your search terms.

jillio

It is intended as an introduction. If you wish to have further information, then you utilize the references. Abstracts are intended only to provide you with enough information to see if the entire study is something that would be beneficial to read, or if it is useful to access the article as well as other articles like it for your own research purposes. And the information to access the article as published was made available in the post.

 

[jillio]

jillio

Ah, yes, but I was talking about the intent and purpose of an abstract. You, however, asre using an absract as referenced support for your position. Entirely inapproriate, and just the point I was making in the quote you used. And, please, purchase an APA manual to assist you in citation.

 

[loml]

loml

Interesting article, if you wish to read the entire piece please pm me.

jillio

Is there a reason you didn't post the link? The absract leaves numerous questions unanswered, and basically has no value in interpreting the results of any study. I suspect that you are simply Googling anything that matches your search terms.

Ah, yes, but I was talking about the intent and purpose of an abstract. You, however, asre using an absract as referenced support for your position. Entirely inapproriate, and just the point I was making in the quote you used. And, please, purchase an APA manual to assist you in citation.

There is certainly nothing inappropriate about my post. It truly doesn't matter what style it is in, it is posted in a manner where all the information is obtainable, for the purpose of sharing. This is your issue, not mine.

 

[loml]

Expansion on previous post.

loml

Interesting article, if you wish to read the entire piece please pm me.

jillio

Is there a reason you didn't post the link? The absract leaves numerous questions unanswered, and basically has no value in interpreting the results of any study. I suspect that you are simply Googling anything that matches your search terms.

Ah, yes, but I was talking about the intent and purpose of an abstract. You, however, asre using an absract as referenced support for your position. Entirely inapproriate, and just the point I was making in the quote you used. And, please, purchase an APA manual to assist you in citation.

There is certainly nothing inappropriate about my post. What I posted was intended to spark interest. I made it very clear that if they wanted more information, they could either pm me or utilize the reference that was also posted. It is standard protocol in all academic disiplines to utilize collateral research to support your position. As such, that doesn't mean that there is 100% congruence between one's position and every conclusion drawn in the article. I am fully aware that the abstract leaves numerous questions unanswered. That is why the reference to the whole paper was included. I was hoping that people will look up and read the entire article to find the answers to their questions since it is not feasible to post the entire paper. When it comes to interpreting results, it's important for people to look at the statistical analysis done (methods such as ANOVA, calculated p-values etc.) and to make sure that the results are statistically signifigant (potentially clinically signifigant). This helps to evaluate the conclusions drawn in the paper.

I am fully aware of how to use unfiltered academic databases such as OVID and PubMed (produced by the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a sub-division of the National Institutes of Health) to find the articles that I post. Google is simply too unreliable as a source.

 

[jillio]

loml

jillio



There is certainly nothing inappropriate about my post. It truly doesn't matter what style it is in, it is posted in a manner where all the information is obtainable, for the purpose of sharing. This is your issue, not mine.

Why should anyone have to pm you for a link to research? Are you the keeper of the research? And, you have posted in no acccepted format. If you are going to refer to articles that are in APA format, then it is expected, if you wish us to accept your interpretations of such as credible, that you would be able to conform to accepted standards. The very fact that you don't is an indication of your lack of expertise in analyzing that which you post and it relevence to your topic.

And one can find any of the data bases you have identified through a Google search. When you are able to do an actual academic search, we will all be able to accept your skills as credible.

If your intent was to spark interest, you have failed miserably in your efforts. Many posters have already made it clear that your attempts are having exactly the opposite effect of that which you intend. You are the only one that doesn't understand that.

And statistical analysis is not the most important consideration when evaluating results. Methodology is. ANOVA is hardly appropriate for all research. Infact, it is appropriate for a very limnited type of research. P values are only appropriate to secific methodologies, as well. Therefore, one must review methodology, and understand it, before one attempts to make sense of statistical analysis. One must also look at limitations of the study before interpreting it's value. Statistical significance does not always translate to clinical significance.

Exactly how many research projects have yopu been directly involved in, and how many statistical analysis have you run on data? Which program do you prefer? Which stats are appropriate for qualitative studies, and which for qualtiative. Waht a bout a mised study?

 

[fredfam1]

Why should anyone have to pm you for a link to research? Are you the keeper of the research? And, you have posted in no acccepted format. If you are going to refer to articles that are in APA format, then it is expected, if you wish us to accept your interpretations of such as credible, that you would be able to conform to accepted standards. The very fact that you don't is an indication of your lack of expertise in analyzing that which you post and it relevence to your topic.

And one can find any of the data bases you have identified through a Google search. When you are able to do an actual academic search, we will all be able to accept your skills as credible.

If your intent was to spark interest, you have failed miserably in your efforts. Many posters have already made it clear that your attempts are having exactly the opposite effect of that which you intend. You are the only one that doesn't understand that.

And statistical analysis is not the most important consideration when evaluating results. Methodology is. ANOVA is hardly appropriate for all research. Infact, it is appropriate for a very limnited type of research. P values are only appropriate to secific methodologies, as well. Therefore, one must review methodology, and understand it, before one attempts to make sense of statistical analysis. One must also look at limitations of the study before interpreting it's value. Statistical significance does not always translate to clinical significance.

Exactly how many research projects have yopu been directly involved in, and how many statistical analysis have you run on data? Which program do you prefer? Which stats are appropriate for qualitative studies, and which for qualtiative. Waht a bout a mised study?

I would have to disagree with you here Jillio. I am not sure I want to require
people to act like a scientific researcher, just for the purposes of browsing for information. I was able to locate the article and read it. Alldeaf is not a scientific journal it is a communication. I know to look for limitations and methodologies, and such and I certainly know that statistics can be skewed to ones advantage and how to look for those. But I do appreciate info being put up
on the topic and I have been told for alldeaf purposes to try and keep the
posts not too long if possible. I think lollml did that and at the same time allowed us to see the info for ourselves. Its nice of her to offer the pm option.
I would not use only that, but it is still a nice offer. It did spark my interest as
I like to read any studies reguarding brain function. I agree with many things you have posted on this topic, but I respectfully submit that you may not be totally objective here.

 

[jillio]

I would have to disagree with you here Jillio. I am not sure I want to require
people to act like a scientific researcher, just for the purposes of browsing for information. I was able to locate the article and read it. Alldeaf is not a scientific journal it is a communication. I know to look for limitations and methodologies, and such and I certainly know that statistics can be skewed to ones advantage and how to look for those. But I do appreciate info being put up
on the topic and I have been told for alldeaf purposes to try and keep the
posts not too long if possible. I think lollml did that and at the same time allowed us to see the info for ourselves. Its nice of her to offer the pm option.
I would not use only that, but it is still a nice offer. It did spark my interest as
I like to read any studies reguarding brain function. I agree with many things you have posted on this topic, but I respectfully submit that you may not be totally objective here.

Perhaps I'm not totally objective. But subjectivity is not always a bad thing, either. When someone holds themselves up to be an expert on a given topic, I expect to see evidence of that in their posts. It lends credibility to their claims, and is the first indication that perhaps they have found something relevent. If I am being referred to a peice of research, I want to know that the person referring at least has read and evaluated the article, so I have indication that the research is something worth taking the time to read and evaluate. It is, for instance, extremely difficult to properly evaluate the appropriateness of a given statistical procedure unless one has actually used statistics to determine the significance or non-significance of the data. And without some degree of understanding of methodology, it is difficult to see strengths and weaknesses in a study. Without klnowing which instruments were used for measurement, and what operational definitions of variables are, it is difficult to determine generalizability, and strength of reported findings. If I see a citation done properly in APA format, it is at the very least an indication that the individual has some degree of experience in reading, evaluating the work of others, and most likely some experience in design, data collection, and statistical analysis.

But that's fine if we disagree. Research is a large part of my field, and I have been taught to look at anything related with a critical eye.

 

[loml]

Why should anyone have to pm you for a link to research? Are you the keeper of the research?

It was an option for people to access the research if they didn't know how to get the research from the provided title, date and journal from which the article was published.

And, you have posted in no acccepted format. If you are going to refer to articles that are in APA format, then it is expected, if you wish us to accept your interpretations of such as credible, that you would be able to conform to accepted standards. The very fact that you don't is an indication of your lack of expertise in analyzing that which you post and it relevence to your topic.

It's an equally viable statement to also say that just because you can properly reference an article doesn't mean that you can understand and critically appraise the research. To reference all you need to do is Google APA format and copy and paste. This is easy enough to do however I did not see the need to do so since I am not using the paper in any research that I am currently conducting. Once again, I wanted to present the research so anyone would be able to access it in some way if they chose to do so.

And one can find any of the data bases you have identified through a Google search. When you are able to do an actual academic search, we will all be able to accept your skills as credible.

On the other hand, simply being able to Google OVID or PubMed does not mean that you can properly use these data bases. If you conduct a basic search on OVID comparing hearing and deaf and limit that search to: enlish language, humans, the last five years (2003-2008 for the most recent research) and all children (0-18 years) your search display should produce 7 results. One of which is the article I posted.These are two of the most widely used databases in the world. The research came from a peer reviewed journal and this supports it's credibility and validity and allows one to critically appraise the article. If you would like more information on critical appraisal I would invite anyone visiting this forum to check out the "User's Guides" produced by the Centre for Health Evidence. Centre for Health Evidence

If your intent was to spark interest, you have failed miserably in your efforts. Many posters have already made it clear that your attempts are having exactly the opposite effect of that which you intend. You are the only one that doesn't understand that.

See fredfram1's post. It is quite obvious that people are interested.

And statistical analysis is not the most important consideration when evaluating results. Methodology is. ANOVA is hardly appropriate for all research.

ANOVA was just used as an example as previously stated:
loml-

methods such as ANOVA, calculated p-values etc.

Infact, it is appropriate for a very limnited type of research. P values are only appropriate to secific methodologies, as well.

Once again, only used as an example:
loml-

methods such as ANOVA, calculated p-values etc.

Therefore, one must review methodology, and understand it, before one attempts to make sense of statistical analysis. One must also look at limitations of the study before interpreting it's value. Statistical significance does not always translate to clinical significance.

Once again: loml-

potentially clinically signifigant

I wholeheartedly argree with you on that and was implying the same sentiment on the last post. I am not solely concerned with statistics, however, when you are critically appraising the results and validity of research you are required to examine the methodoligies and as such, I didn't feel the need to expressly state so. For example: Was assignment of participants randomized, were appropriate controls used, or was a follow up completed? This is not directed at this article specifically, these types of questions are needed for all research.

Exactly how many research projects have yopu been directly involved in, and how many statistical analysis have you run on data? Which program do you prefer? Which stats are appropriate for qualitative studies, and which for qualtiative. Waht a bout a mised study?

I have been involved with enough research to be able to confidenlty access another researcher's work. I understand that this is a highly emotionally charged subject but all information should be made available so informed decisions can be made. People once thought the world was flat when this was challenged it also caused controversy. Turns out...the world isn't flat.

I hope that you will be able to critically examine research with differing points of view and come to an informed, educated perspective that is the best one for you and allows you to provide what you believe is the best care for your deaf clients.

Thank you.

 

[shel90]

Perhaps I'm not totally objective. But subjectivity is not always a bad thing, either. When someone holds themselves up to be an expert on a given topic, I expect to see evidence of that in their posts. It lends credibility to their claims, and is the first indication that perhaps they have found something relevent. If I am being referred to a peice of research, I want to know that the person referring at least has read and evaluated the article, so I have indication that the research is something worth taking the time to read and evaluate. It is, for instance, extremely difficult to properly evaluate the appropriateness of a given statistical procedure unless one has actually used statistics to determine the significance or non-significance of the data. And without some degree of understanding of methodology, it is difficult to see strengths and weaknesses in a study. Without klnowing which instruments were used for measurement, and what operational definitions of variables are, it is difficult to determine generalizability, and strength of reported findings. If I see a citation done properly in APA format, it is at the very least an indication that the individual has some degree of experience in reading, evaluating the work of others, and most likely some experience in design, data collection, and statistical analysis.

But that's fine if we disagree. Research is a large part of my field, and I have been taught to look at anything related with a critical eye.

So you would expect all of these links and info from lolm cuz of his stance on CS but not from someone who doesnt hold the same position as loml does?

 

[jillio]

I have been involved with enough research to be able to confidenlty access another researcher's work. I understand that this is a highly emotionally charged subject but all information should be made available so informed decisions can be made. People once thought the world was flat when this was challenged it also caused controversy. Turns out...the world isn't flat.

I hope that you will be able to critically examine research with differing points of view and come to an informed, educated perspective that is the best one for you and allows you to provide what you believe is the best care for your deaf clients.

Thank you.

Did you mean "access" or "assess"? These are two very different concepts.

I consistently review all research as applied to disability, and particularly that which is associated with deaf education and cognitive issues. I don't provide care fro my deaf clients based on my beliefs, but provide services based on what they tell me is in their best interest. My persepctive is not the most important variable. The most important variable is the deaf person's perspective. I undertake to provide no service, nor set any policy, wothout the direct input of the deaf individual themselves. In fact, I try to adhere to the adage, "Nothing about us without us." In other words, no policy should be instituted, no plan set in motion, and no services provided without the direct input of the deaf community themselves.

 

[jillio]

So you would expect all of these links and info from lolm cuz of his stance on CS but not from someone who doesnt hold the same position as loml does?

No. Kaitlin references her research in APA format, and provides links when appropriate. I don't expect links from anyone, to be honest. They are convenient, but not neccesary when you have a cited reference. It isn't about a particular postion held. Loml has protrayed himself as having particular expertise on CS. I would expect that he would post according to the expertise that he claims to possess.

Not long ago, I posted some info on Visual Phonics. I did not post a link to the article, but did reference it. I also offered to forward the article to anyone who requested it by pm. My reason for doing that was that the article was available only through a members only access point. You would have had to pay for the article to be downloaded to your computer. I sent out copies to make the information available for free. That is why I asked why it was that loml was asking people to pm him for the article.