Biden says its ok to blame Obama

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Biden: Voters Can Blame Obama for the Poor Economy - Ken Walsh's Washington (usnews.com)

One of the most interesting stories of the past 24 hours was Biden's admission to public radio station WLRN in Miami that Americans can justifiably blame President Obama for the state of the economy. "Right now, we are the ones in charge," Biden said, "and it's gotten better but it hasn't gotten good enough." This is a departure for the administration because Obama and other senior officials have regularly blamed former President George W. Bush for the nation's economic woes.
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Biden said Americans have "good reason to be upset" because of unemployment, which is "something they didn't have a thing to do with creating."

Biden also said that while many Americans still blame Bush, "that's not relevant."

"What's relevant is we're in charge," Biden said.
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...... but not for very much longer
 
There has not yet been a Republican I would vote for in 2012.
 
Obama was inherited from previous administration when economy went bad in 2007-2008.

Blame on Obama for not fix the economy is not relevant at all, even there is nothing for government to fix it, even GOP won't fix either.
 
I blame Obama for everything.
 
That's good.
 
People sure love playing the blame game.
 
I came back last night from a stay at my sister's in Wentzville. GM there is investing $380 million in a new truck line to be built in addition to the vans, which are selling like hotcakes. Bad economic times? Not here.
 
Banjo said:
People sure love playing the blame game.
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Tell me about it!! I am so sick of both parties blaming one another! I just want both parties to shut up and fix the mess we're in! If I want listen to people blaming one another I can get from watching 'All in the Family' ! I don't watch
the speaker of the house crying!!
 
Banjo said:
People sure love playing the blame game.
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Yea...I wish they would just work together and improve this country instead of this blame game. Oh well.
 
I can understand the well-meaning pleas for both sides to put away the politics and come together to do what's best for the country. However, that ignores the reality that there are two completely opposite visions of the world at play here. For example, one side believes that increasing taxes and spending is the best thing for the country. The other side believes that lowering taxes and spending is the best thing for the country. If they come together to do what they believe is best for the country, that will inevitably result in conflict as long as their world views conflict.

That's not to diminish the influence of special interests, pork, etc., but overwhelmingly, the conflict we see is the result of conflicting philosophies.
 
darkdog said:
I can understand the well-meaning pleas for both sides to put away the politics and come together to do what's best for the country. However, that ignores the reality that there are two completely opposite visions of the world at play here. For example, one side believes that increasing taxes and spending is the best thing for the country. The other side believes that lowering taxes and spending is the best thing for the country. If they come together to do what they believe is best for the country, that will inevitably result in conflict as long as their world views conflict.

That's not to diminish the influence of special interests, pork, etc., but overwhelmingly, the conflict we see is the result of conflicting philosophies.
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Well, it is not all that simple. There are other issues that draw votes: abortion, gun control, conservation are the first ones that come to my mind.

Republicans are generally:
  • Against gun control
  • Against abortion
  • Not big on conservation of scenic areas/parks (drill, baby, drill)
  • Less taxes, less spending

Democrats are generally:
  • Favor abortion rights
  • Favor gun control
  • Big on conservation of scenic areas/parks (Don't you dare drill here)
  • More taxes, more spending

I think what many of us are troubled by is not the differences; it is the time and energy spent pointing out the other side's mistakes, rather than pointing out their own successes.

I personally think a mix of the two philosophies is the best plan. If we cut too many government services, people suffer. Create too many services, tax payers suffer. So it goes.
 
saywhatkid said:
Well, it is not all that simple. There are other issues that draw votes: abortion, gun control, conservation are the first ones that come to my mind.

Republicans are generally:
  • Against gun control
  • Against abortion
  • Not big on conservation of scenic areas/parks (drill, baby, drill)
  • Less taxes, less spending

Democrats are generally:
  • Favor abortion rights
  • Favor gun control
  • Big on conservation of scenic areas/parks (Don't you dare drill here)
  • More taxes, more spending

I think what many of us are troubled by is not the differences; it is the time and energy spent pointing out the other side's mistakes, rather than pointing out their own successes.

I personally think a mix of the two philosophies is the best plan. If we cut too many government services, people suffer. Create too many services, tax payers suffer. So it goes.
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Certainly. The level of taxation and spending is just one issue, but it's one of the biggest issues. Personally, I'm for the federal government seriously scaling back and returning more power to the states. Government services, like roads, bridges, schools, teachers, police, firemen, etc. are all very good things. They're also local in nature and the more resources the federal government sucks up, the fewer resources that are available for state and local governments to provide those services.

Yeah, there is a lot of negativity, but I'm more concerned with honesty and consistency. A lot of the people kvetching about "the blame game" now sang a very different tune when Bush and the Republicans were in power. Yes, we should promote why our way works, but we should also point out what doesn't work. I would prefer both to be done in good faith, but something about politics causes people to debase themselves to new lows of stupidity and dishonesty just to defend their vision of the world when it collides with facts and logic. It's refreshing to see honest people who are willing to admit when they're wrong or at least consider a different point of view when their own fails to match reality.
 
darkdog said:
Certainly. The level of taxation and spending is just one issue, but it's one of the biggest issues. Personally, I'm for the federal government seriously scaling back and returning more power to the states. Government services, like roads, bridges, schools, teachers, police, firemen, etc. are all very good things. They're also local in nature and the more resources the federal government sucks up, the fewer resources that are available for state and local governments to provide those services.

Yeah, there is a lot of negativity, but I'm more concerned with honesty and consistency. A lot of the people kvetching about "the blame game" now sang a very different tune when Bush and the Republicans were in power. Yes, we should promote why our way works, but we should also point out what doesn't work. I would prefer both to be done in good faith, but something about politics causes people to debase themselves to new lows of stupidity and dishonesty just to defend their vision of the world when it collides with facts and logic. It's refreshing to see honest people who are willing to admit when they're wrong or at least consider a different point of view when their own fails to match reality.
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They should try it like you and I do it here. No hardcore criticizing or namecalling, just opinions exchanged in a respectful manner. We rarely agree, but we both listen to each other. All the links and graphs in the world accomplish less than a well-thought reply.
 
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