We had a thread started about that a while back. Then the wannabe amputees joined it. It got pretty wierd. They all claimed that pdocs didn't help them and the only way to treat their illness was to make them deaf or amputate the offending limb. We got into a lenghty discussion of treatments and diagnoses, and of course they had a "Yes, but" answer for everything. Needless to say, it got a bit ugly, the Gestalt came out in me, and I refused to buy into their excuses.