SEE is an aid visually to help with auditory English. Lipreading is visual to aid in auditory English. There are other visual aids.
Exactly, you begin early using English. My point for not starting out with ASL.
SEE is not used that much in a fair amount. I don’t think it’s given a fair chance. It’s not a great argument because we don’t know how many have really tried and truly failed using SEE in the first place. They may not continue to use it because everyone around them suddenly are communicating using speech. They face people who are hearing, so unless they find someone who use it such as their family or friends, then no doubt they’ll use it. If you work in a deaf organization and will do so forever, great. It's not realistic because there aren't so many.
So they stop just because it isn’t a language? It’s only an aid to help you understand spoken English. There's no need for SEE to be a language. Cued Speech isn’t a language, but it can help. It isn’t used fair enough. I am sure there are fears that revolves around using SEE and Cued Speech that needs to be resolved.
Who says it is their first language? Is it written in stone? Are we genetically made not to learn vocabularies and words? I have a hard time believing that just because you can’t hear ASL is the correct path to take.
They may not aquire English perfectly through auditory means as everyone varies, but there are other options Cued Speech and SEE to aid in what they cannot hear only closer to the English language which ASL is not even related.
There is a young guy I talked to who was born deaf. He was immediately placed in the mainstream. He didn’t wear hearing aids after first grade. His writing skills are good. He uses signs at home with family and talks. I don’t think his speech is perfect, but he can write well. In fact, he is thankful for being placed right away with an interpreter in mainstream. It doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster.
I thought deaf institutes start out with ASL and use ASL most of the time. I am sure they use ASL in an excess amount while not being fair to English because they fail to persevere because it’s too hard. I had 2 tutors who wanted to do my homework because it’s too hard for them to explain to me concepts I may have needed to understand a little better. I must tell you, it’s not impossible for deaf to understand. All they need are patient teachers, parents and so on. My mom had to go through that, but she stayed and did not gave up. One of my tutor was showing me a paper of a girl who wrote in ASL, and she was frustrated. She had her paper with her. Obviously, I am sure she didn't take the time to explain to the girl why it is written that way. I needed that all these times, and each year was an improvement.
Well, I have to find out the other way too. Are they giving SEE a fair chance? Let's not forget Cued Speech. I want a study done starting out with SEE and Cued Speech I have read other many successes with SEE in their classrooms and home, so I see no doubt in this area as a great start. There is no doubt that there will be some deaf students going ahead some others, but that is not a failure. Hearing students show those same problems in math, English and other subjects. It's not a failure either. I am certain bi-bi method has been given a fair trial. Teachers need to be fluent in ASL to teach in deaf schools. It’s visual. It’s not going to teach English. I think it’s mixing words organizations.
You can do that, but I can’t do that. Do you expect workplaces and people to adapt to this for a minority group? In fact, a few times I have a hard time understanding those who write like ASL. Many in here write in English. Why should we who use English stick to ASL? Because they are deaf? Deaf people will have to go live separate lives. There will not be a Deaf Town like China Town. Deaf people are human who are born to hearing parents. They grow up, get married and live wherever they want to live. The deaf population is such a small minority that it’s not going to amount to a fair use of ASL among hearies so that they can work or whatever the situation is. It is nothing to be ashamed. Nobody is saying that, but we can be capable of learning English. If you say you can’t, then that’s a problem. I don’t believe in excuses because deaf are disabled auditorily, they can’t learn English. It takes a lot of work, but patience, my friend, is true virtue.
You are mistaken in my interpretation about expressing yourself. ASL and English fluency has nothing to do with what you are mentally capable of conveying. Illiteracy can cause true restrictions not only for deaf people, but for hearing people as well. It is the same for an immigrant who can only work being a housecleaner or fast food or housekeeping because they are not fluent in English. Why do you say that English is not deaf people's language? That's bad generalization. My ears don't say what I need to learn differently. English is not strange. It simply can be difficult because it was not taught properly at home or at school. Some deaf people have had to work hard to bring their writing up to par to get through college. Some drop out because of English. It's much harder, so why not start out in childhood? They don't need to go around wasting money on taking English classes when it's free in schools and at home. Deafness is not an excuse not to learn English.
