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That can explain why deaf people appeared to accept deaf and dumb before? Ok, guessing a bit.

Ok, for me it's some pride in saying I'm deaf mute. Speech, what for!?! But got your points and that's propably what wfd is thinking about, too.

That's a reason I like it. Back to the golden days, before oralism. I imagine that after oralism, mute became more negative, but this is just wild guessing. Voice off is funky. Can like it too!

Both terms can be discussed yes. Guess I miss a more intellectual approach from WFD. A reason is perhaps that deaf community is an oppressed community, making it harder to discuss issues freely in public in fear of disagreements being exploited by the oppressors?

Ok, society is ruled by men, whites, hearings values. Sure we can use "hearings" in this perspective. But picking on proper academic use of disabled, along with using "hearing" is a bit confusing to me. To me, audists and audist values is more accurate, but get your point! I said disabled...

Yes, but what about deaf people with CI who still hate to use speech, or can't? Some families have high expectations to CI. Deaf mute/voice off with CI could clarify and lessen some burdens for those?

From mute - definition of mute by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. Can understand above, but deaf mute still ok with me. It's a quick way to explain people depedent on spoken language that you aren't going to use voice with them, instead of appear rude when saying "I...

Found this here, a statement from WFD, About us I find it a bit funny that they say it's not acceptable to use the term "deaf-mute" for deaf persons who can't talk. I'm a member of WFD by the way. What do you think?

I agree with most of this. Is this what WFD aims for when they are focusing mostly on the “Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities” at the moment? What you are saying is important to not forget. My English is far from top, so not sure if you already mentioned it in this post, but...

Will respond to your post before this one, when more time on hands. It's interesting to read about which approach that is of most benefit. Have you read the thick deafhood book by Paddy Ladd? What you describe here reminds me of his description of deaf audist leaders in UK deaf clubs. He use...

Make sense. I imagine when I declare I belong to deaf people, I'm ethnic deaf, but when I play with the rules created by a society, I might Id as disabled to get equal rights. That way, I can both be ethnically deaf and just a disabled person, the same way a non signer easily become so called...

Thanks! Have a few calm days at work before Xmas, so can read a bit around on forums ;)

I know deaf bilingual adults who got implanted, some of them are fine with it, but it's something weird with this poster. Reminds me of the alter ego rockdrummer came up with when dropping out of AD. That's why I'm no audist, multiple personal disorders scares me.

Been a long time since AD, short on time nowdays, so excuse me if I ask something everyone here know, but curious what the Disability Social Model is, why is that better to define deaf people as a group? Can one use both disability and cultural, dependent on situation and circumstances or must...

Yes. I'm sure many people who ask this kind of questions, aren't satisified with themselves either. They are probably a bit short, fat, wrong skin color, wrong nationality, wrong class, wrong size of the nose, wrong job, wrong wife/husband, wrong habits and so on. They want a pill for that? Why...

As a member of the deaf army, curious what prejudices I got? ;)

Wow, the realism was great. Felt real. Great cinematographic handcraft. What I didn't like, was it was a bit too predictable. Downs syndrome is probably going extinct in a near future, and looks like people don't care. This is a bit risky, IMO. By becoming more similar to each other, we...

Cure deafness: if that pill had no side effects, both pyschological and physical and provided perfect listening, why not. But that would be akin to pills that could make you jump 5 meters, run faster than a car, etc etc. In other words, of little significance for my well beeing. I would probably...

Maybe some of them think they are doing it right, when they try to provide the kids with the same sense of belonging they felt to their family as a kid, by including their kid in their spoken environment. This is why the golden rule not allways works. Not to mention parents, that felt left...

"My dad has a hobby where he connects to other people by pressing letters on a small table and clicking on a plastic rock. He call that internet, it was common when his grandparents were kids".