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  1. zeefour

    For Hearing Educators

    What kind of choice do you give them? "We only use verbal English here, no sign language." That's not much of a choice...
  2. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    It's still not fully accessible. Why would you force a system on a child that they cannot 100% access, especially when there's another just as valid system that IS 100% accessible to them naturally without surgery without intervention. Especially when by using that language they can learn the...
  3. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    You said you don't sign. You said you don't use any sign language at all in your school. And those mainstreamed students aren't strictly oral. You're misrepresenting stastistics. Most of those students are in TC environments. Speech may be used, but there's also a multitude of sign languages...
  4. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    The crux of the issue is linguistic, which is what a number of those papers and research discuss. It's about how ALL children acquire language, through exposure. Hearing children learn their native language (in this case we'll use English) by hearing those around them speak English, read to them...
  5. zeefour

    Became deaf on 16 anyone who's been through the same and would like to share it?

    My experience isn't the same but it's somewhat similar. was born with moderate hearing loss. I was in an accident when I was 5 that made me severely/profoundly deaf. I consider myself HoH. I have hearing aids and a BAHA and was raised with cued speech, signed English, FM systems, etc. I wish I...
  6. zeefour

    For Hearing Educators

    This is exactly my experience too!!! I feel stuck between two worlds and I don't belong in either. @Teacherofthedeaf And yes that was referring to you. You think that Deaf students who are fluent in ASL are stupid and less successful based only on English literacy. Speaking English isn't...
  7. zeefour

    No asl for deaf baby?

    @AlleyCat I had speech therapy all through school, technically it was AVT. My speech is actually really good for a DHH person. But I also think of what I could have learned instead of all those hours spent pulled out of my homeroom class and sitting with the speech teacher, with her beside my...
  8. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    @Teacherofthedeaf continued.... 11. De Houwer, A. (2009). An introduction to bilingual development. Tonawanda, New York: Multilingual Matters. 12. Deaf Education: A new philosophy. Research findings at NTID. Retrieved 10-10-2016 from https://www.rit.edu/showcase/index.php?id=86 Krentz, U.C...
  9. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    @Teacherofthedeaf Continued.,... Here's a few points with the associated research from another site: *CHILDREN WHO LEARN SIGN LANGUAGE MAY HAVE MORE BRAIN CAPACITY LATER, LEARN TO SPEAK SOONER, AND DO BETTER ON FUTURE IQ TESTS. (THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN, MARCH 1999) *11-MONTH-OLDS WHO LEARNED...
  10. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    @Teacherofthedeaf "I also never said that children cannot think using ASL. " Yes you did. You said that "without the use of sign language " you teach children to "think, learn, speak, etc." so that they can "be at the level of hearing children". You keep harping on that only speech and...
  11. zeefour

    No asl for deaf baby?

    THANK YOU!!! THIS!
  12. zeefour

    For Hearing Educators

    We have a poster here who could really learn from this. She thinks Deaf kids can only learn to think if they learn to listen and speak. And she's proud of being a TOD.
  13. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    And you don't even sign?????????!!!?!?!? Not even signed English? Wow. No wonder you won't listen to me, you don't think Deaf/HoH people who sign are at the intellectual level of those who speak English.
  14. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    "Our school teaches deaf children to listen and speak without the use of sign language. We support children with hearing loss to develop the spoken language, listening, thinking and learning skills necessary to compete alongside their hearing peers. " You are saying Deaf students cannot be...
  15. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    Gahhhhh no it can't!!!! Signed English cannot be a proper L1 for a completely prelingually Deaf child. Cued speech only works for HoH children (trust me I'm HoH and that's what I was exposed to in the 90s) The only way it can is if the child lost their hearing after being exposed to spoken...
  16. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    I'm not saying SEE cant be used as a tool ti SUPPLEMENT ASL and written/even spoken English, I said as much on my first post . I'm saying it is NOT a naturally evolved language and it should NOT be used as a L1 for Deaf children. "Because unlike manual forms of English ASL is a...
  17. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    I really just cant... this is factual. I know wiki in itself isnt a resource but look at all 30+ references at the bottom to start. Ill start uploading all my textbooks and syllabi later. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_Exact_English
  18. zeefour

    Name Sign Systems

    Oh my name sign is just using the letter 'K' for my first name and signed like the sign for tall, because I'm over 6 feet haha I don't know what kind og name sign that would count as.
  19. zeefour

    Mother of 7 y/o Deaf girl

    You would think but linguistically in the brain it's not. As far as what a complete sign language incorporates, signed English doesn't have those things. There's no special grammar, syntax, etc. If you just use signed English with a Deaf child and nothing else it doesn't work in the brain as...
  20. zeefour

    Can HOH genuinely identify as Deaf?

    I live in a small mountain town, a 2 hour drive 100 miles minimum to the big city where there's a small Deaf community..
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