North Tower Exploding on 9-11

[Reba]

Yep. US resources. And different attacks, different resources. You keep bringing up other attacks.

I'll try to be very clear and unsophisticated for you.

The 9/11 Muslim religious extremist hijackers had all the resources that they needed to carry out their attack goals by crashing civilian passenger airliners into buildings.

 

[Beowulf]

A few rogue officials is a lot different from a government backing.

Flight schedules are pretty easy to find online. Commercial flight training may not have been needed for all of this. There is flight simulator software that can be pretty realistic, combined with a basic knowledge of piloting. Massive funds are not complicated to move either. That is how drug cartels work, along with Mafia-style gangs. This particular terrorist group is top of the line. They do their homework. They spent years planning and preparing. If some deputy in Iraq secured some insider info, it hardly indicts the Iraqi government.

A couple weeks in flight training school enables you to fly jetliners? I don't think so. Besides, many of those "hijackers" are still alive today.

 

[jillio]

I'll try to be very clear and unsophisticated for you.

The 9/11 Muslim religious extremist hijackers had all the resources that they needed to carry out their attack goals by crashing civilian passenger airliners into buildings.

And I will use elementary language for your benefit:

"Yes. Including United States resources."

 

[Reba]

Agreed. They prepared for years. It was not a bomb strapped to a chest. It was a massive and coordinated attack.

For which they had the resources (including people) that were necessary.

Dedicated terrorists will do what it takes to fulfill their goals.

 

[Reba]

And I will use elementary language for your benefit:

"Yes. Including United States resources."

Meaning flight training, box cutters, and plane tickets for planes that took off from American airports. Things that were located in the United States because the attacks took place in the United States.

All the planning and conduct of the attacks was done by Muslim fanatics.

 

[jillio]

Meaning flight training, box cutters, and plane tickets for planes that took off from American airports. Things that were located in the United States because the attacks took place in the United States.

All the planning and conduct of the attacks was done by Muslim fanatics.[/QUOTE]

Are you willing to explore the conviction behind that statement?

 

[Beowulf]

Meaning flight training, box cutters, and plane tickets for planes that took off from American airports. Things that were located in the United States because the attacks took place in the United States.

All the planning and conduct of the attacks was done by Muslim fanatics.

What, no darn Israelis?

 

[Reba]

A couple weeks in flight training school enables you to fly jetliners? I don't think so. Besides, many of those "hijackers" are still alive today.

It was enough to crash jetliners--that's all they needed. They weren't going for careers in piloting.

The hijackers that were on board the 9/11 planes are all dead.

 

[Jiro]

What makes you think they don't have deep connections and expertise, in addition to money? (Don't forget, money can buy lots of expertise and connections, too.)

not really. Take a look at why billion-dollars Google lacks power. They don't have any lobbyist strength. Money does not equate to expertise and connection.

Prior to 9/11, getting passport and immigration documents didn't require sophistication. Even now, our borders leak like a sieve.

not that easy. these people were red-flagged.

Many potential terrorists can easily show up on student visas.

and denied and investigated and monitored since they're red-flagged.

Moving funds around is no big deal (anyone from Jersey should know that, heh, heh).

and they got caught. Recall news from few months ago? Newark-Jersey City mayor, business people, etc. are in jail.

Prior to 9/11, no one thought twice about the flight training. It wasn't restricted, and didn't require sneaking into.

because it's impossible. It takes years.

Side note:

Prior to the revolution in Iran, we trained their fighter pilots on our Navy bases in America, and their military officers in our upper level training facilities. Obviously they didn't "forget" all that training when the Shah was given the boot.

these terrorists were very young. Iran revolution was what? 31 years ago? They would be old farts by now

It's not that hard for terrorists to find trainers. For the right price, you can find rogue experts in anything.

not really. most "rogue experts" have criminal records and they're monitored. Our government's not that stupid.

They DID catch hints of the planning; they just didn't put it together and disseminate it properly.

correction - the FBI agent's report was ignored and shuffled away at the very bottom of the drawer.

 

[rockdrummer]

OH lord! Not another conspiracy theory.

 

[Reba]

Meaning flight training, box cutters, and plane tickets for planes that took off from American airports. Things that were located in the United States because the attacks took place in the United States.

All the planning and conduct of the attacks was done by Muslim fanatics.[/QUOTE]

Are you willing to explore the conviction behind that statement?

Go for it.

 

[jillio]

not really. Take a look at why billion-dollars Google lacks power. They don't have any lobbyist strength. Money does not equate to expertise and connection.


not that easy. these people were red-flagged.


and denied and investigated and monitored since they're red-flagged.


and they got caught. Recall news from few months ago? Newark-Jersey City mayor, business people, etc. are in jail.


because it's impossible. It takes years.


these terrorists were very young. Iran revolution was what? 31 years ago? They would be old farts by now


not really. most "rogue experts" have criminal records and they're monitored. Our government's not that stupid.


correction - the FBI agent's report was ignored and shuffled away at the very bottom of the drawer.

Eactly what I mean when I say, "willing to explore the conviction of the belief that it was all Muslim extremists that conceived of, planned, and carried out the attack."

 

[Beowulf]

It was enough to crash jetliners--that's all they needed. They weren't going for careers in piloting.

The hijackers that were on board the 9/11 planes are all dead.

Really?
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

 

[Jiro]

A few rogue officials is a lot different from a government backing.

Flight schedules are pretty easy to find online. Commercial flight training may not have been needed for all of this. There is flight simulator software that can be pretty realistic, combined with a basic knowledge of piloting. Massive funds are not complicated to move either. That is how drug cartels work, along with Mafia-style gangs. This particular terrorist group is top of the line. They do their homework. They spent years planning and preparing. If some deputy in Iraq secured some insider info, it hardly indicts the Iraqi government.

1. really? you can find flight schedules a few weeks in advance?
2. massive funds are actually complicated to move. lemme guess - Cayman Island? you watch too much movies.
3. If it were that easy to fly a plane cuz of flight simulator game, then we're in trouble.
4. drug cartels do not live in America because it's difficult to live like a "free man" in here. We cleaned that up decades ago where mafia, drug lords, etc. live like king in here.
5. government backing = government resource. It only takes a couple of high-ranking government officials. It's damaging enough. A high-ranking official is able to retrieve pretty much any kinds of information. Its authority is high enough to pull some strings.

 

[Jiro]

Agreed. They prepared for years. It was not a bomb strapped to a chest. It was a massive and coordinated attack.

for years...... all those..... without appearing on government's radar?

 

[Jiro]

A couple weeks in flight training school enables you to fly jetliners? I don't think so.

yep. it takes years. These pilots are trained the same way as Navy pilots.

 

[Reba]

not really. Take a look at why billion-dollars Google lacks power. They don't have any lobbyist strength. Money does not equate to expertise and connection.

You're being sarcastic, right?

not that easy. these people were red-flagged.
and denied and investigated and monitored since they're red-flagged.

Yet, they're still getting thru and staying here.

Profiling and red-flagging is not PC.

and they got caught. Recall news from few months ago? Newark-Jersey City mayor, business people, etc. are in jail.

How long did it take? How many have gone undetected? You'll never know.

because it's impossible. It takes years.

No, it doesn't. Look into it. (I don't mean the flight hours required for licenses but the actually basic skills attainment.)

these terrorists were very young. Iran revolution was what? 31 years ago? They would be old farts by now

I wasn't referring to them as current terrorists. It was to show that there are always other sources available for training the next generation.

not really. most "rogue experts" have criminal records and they're monitored. Our government's not that stupid.

They don't have criminal records until after they're caught. The experts have pristine records until such time.

correction - the FBI agent's report was ignored and shuffled away at the very bottom of the drawer.

Like I said, not handled properly.

 

[Beowulf]

Military involvement?
9/11 Hijackers Trained at US Bases?

 

[Reba]

1. really? you can find flight schedules a few weeks in advance?

What do you think travel agents do and have done for years?

 

[Jiro]

What do you think travel agents do and have done for years?

arrange trips for you.... not look up flight schedules in advance. beside - it's amazing they're able to pull it off with 4 planes because of our shoddy airline system with dozens of delays.