EVIDENCE of being deaf with Hearing Aid device

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gnulinuxman said:
Yeah, that's the problem I have with Cloggy too. He is heavily biased towards any success stories and ignores that they can fail.
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What about you? You're just as bad as SM on the other side.
 
Cloggy said:
Am I that bad?
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He's not talking about you :)

Please all members ,stop bashing each other and bad treatments . We really need to stop that :)
 
ecevit said:
He's not talking about you :)

Please all members ,stop bashing each other and bad treatments . We really need to stop that :)
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Off topic...

I wondered when Cloggy would get confused...he in so many threads... :D

As for people stopping the bashing bit, ummm...a nice thought but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Lots of drama (as Cheri likes to say), emotions running high and diametrically opposites viewpoints...so I will step back into the sidelines... :popcorn:
 
sr171soars said:
Off topic...

I wondered when Cloggy would get confused...he in so many threads... :D

As for people stopping the bashing bit, ummm...a nice thought but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Lots of drama (as Cheri likes to say), emotions running high and diametrically opposites viewpoints...so I will step back into the sidelines... :popcorn:
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off topic

me too.. I prefer watching the fight from the place I sit on :popcorn:

I'm reluctant to beat anyone up :)
 
Drama eh ? :lol: Who would want to be a Queen/King Drama to spice this AD up ? *laughin'*

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Sweetmind said:
Cloggy needs to stop being so in-your-face about CI's being so great that has claimed they're perfect. Scoffs!

RME!!!
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Cloggy is witnessing it... and living it. *sheesh*
 
Sweetmind said:
No choice to make but I have to stop this guy named Cloggy who lied about devices into the Holy Bible.

http://alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=26223&page=5&pp=20




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Now Mark 7:31



So therefore Jesus did it. NOT YOU Cloggy as a God or Cochlear Implant as Corportation as a God.. Stop abusing or trying to make a good trick use for people to believe in.. Scoffs!

Cochlear Implant Corporation is NOT A GOD. You are abused the God s words while you are atheist.

Read and say this 100 times please. Cochlear Implant Corporation is NOT A GOD. You are abused the term of God s words.Cochlear Implant Corporation is NOT A GOD. You are abused the God s words.

I wouldnt dare to do this since it s for between a person and god to talk each other on their own time.

So there! No wonder why Cochlear Implant Corporation (evil) is trying to abuse us Deaf children and God s words that it speaks itself.

Thank you!

Sweetmind
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Deafness has nothing to do with Holy Bible.... Cloggy you brings religion to this issue... Back off!!! Cloggy.... deafness has nothing to do with it ... it is fact of life.. we all should accept that we cannot hear everything... Cloggy you need to stop bragging... you accused sweetmind of being bragging,,,, Look at who is bragging??? It is you... Cloggy

Thanks!!!

SxyPorkie
 
Sweetmind and I aren't totally against cochlear implants. We just are trying to show that the world of cochlear implants and oralism is not as rosy as Cloggy, Boult, and Fragmenter seem to believe. Cochlear implants and oralism aren't the perfect "solution" to deafness. They are tools, but they're not the perfect solution they seem to believe it is. Some deaf people will be better off signing. That's just a fact. Some can't use the cochlear implant. Others just can't learn to lipread. People vary. Sweetmind and I are just trying to get across that oralism and CI are not perfect "one size fits all" solutions to deafness.

Personally, the one-size-fits-all solution I've noticed is LITERACY. It is a very valid form of communication, yet the biggest reason people are putting it down is because some hearing people don't like doing it... :roll:
 
loml said:
Cloggy is witnessing it... and living it. *sheesh*
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That doesn't mean CI's are perfect for everybody as he seems to believe. Rockdrummer's son, for example, got no benefit from the cochlear implant.
 
gnulinuxman said:
Sweetmind and I aren't totally against cochlear implants. We just are trying to show that the world of cochlear implants and oralism is not as rosy as Cloggy, Boult, and Fragmenter seem to believe. Cochlear implants and oralism aren't the perfect "solution" to deafness. They are tools, but they're not the perfect solution they seem to believe it is. Some deaf people will be better off signing. That's just a fact. Some can't use the cochlear implant. Others just can't learn to lipread. People vary. Sweetmind and I are just trying to get across that oralism and CI are not perfect "one size fits all" solutions to deafness.

Personally, the one-size-fits-all solution I've noticed is LITERACY. It is a very valid form of communication, yet the biggest reason people are putting it down is because some hearing people don't like doing it... :roll:
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YES..I agree with you... all babies and children should not be implanted, they had no choice to be made... the parents should wait until their children get older enough to make a choice to have CI or not...

I believe that CI is ok for the latenend people who lost their hearing and not able to learn the sign langauges...

Thanks!!!

SxyPorkie
 
Fragmenter said:
Cloggy didn't start this religion stuff. Read the thread, sugar.
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I did read Cloggy's posts in here and also in other topics of AD... He brought bible in here,,,, as you and I know that Bible has nothing to do with deafness... I dont know if you believe in Bible... as for me i am agnostic.. I used to be a christian and taught Sunday school in the church,, as i read Bible all the times ,, that changed me alot,,, now i am agnostic,,, anyone in here making posts should keep Bible out of this topic,,,

Thanks!!!

SxyPorkie
 
gnulinuxman said:
That doesn't mean CI's are perfect for everybody as he seems to believe. Rockdrummer's son, for example, got no benefit from the cochlear implant.
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I've never said that. I know about rRockdrummers son.

Don't believe the statements that Seetmind posts. She's just shooting blanks.

I would like to make that statement here officially, like I have done before, but it doesn't really help...

OK, what the hack

Statement by Cloggy:
Cochlear implants are not for everyone. Not all people will benefit from it. CI is not the same as a CI. When you cannot hear (any more) with a HA, then there is a possibility that you will hear fine with a CI.
My daughter (3¾ years old) has CI. She's deaf. She can hear. We gave her the implant as soon as possible because all research and indications show that this will give the best results. She know sign. We know sign. We use it when shea's deaf without her CI or when she doesn't understand speach.

Oh, and God has nothing whatsoever to do with deafness. But that's just my personal opinion.
Anything I missed..... ASK!
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(Do I need to go into where I'm employed or can we just ignore Sweetminds brainstorms??)
 
CIs and my opinion

SxyPorkie said:
I did read Cloggy's posts in here and also in other topics of AD... He brought bible in here,,,, as you and I know that Bible has nothing to do with deafness... I dont know if you believe in Bible... as for me i am agnostic.. I used to be a christian and taught Sunday school in the church,, as i read Bible all the times ,, that changed me alot,,, now i am agnostic,,, anyone in here making posts should keep Bible out of this topic,,,

Thanks!!!

SxyPorkie
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Right!! there is no need to bring the bible in here with this topic and I do
know that if CIs were a "perfect" solution everyone would have on that was deaf or became deaf late in life. CIs are not the "size fits all for everyone that is deaf" I would like to tell people that say that to be quiet!! LOOK!! A lot of people dont benefit from CIs and never will at any point. CIs have there pros and cons too. I can state directly 5 pros and 5 cons of CIs and I am not afraid to at all to do this. We all have our own opinions on CIs and why fight on our opinions when we all have different aspects of it. I refused a CI due to many reasons. My reasons were pain, having surgery every 3 years, relearning to talk, a ton of tests (ie blood tests, CT scans, MRIs, hearing tests) I am very sensitive to pain at all cost(I can bare a certain amount but not a great deal of it) and trust me I deal with pain almost everyday its not fun. If you want my pros and cons then fine I'll share here and NOW. And if my words are pulled out of contents I will be mad.

Pros:
1 Helps pick up sounds

2 Gives a chance to live in
the hearing world

3 Helps us in school

4 Has a lot of good replacements
for awhile and it has a good cost

5 I am happy it does help me a lot
and I love the benefits that are
given to me by it.

Cons:

1 Doesn't pick up all the sounds that are
needed to be heard

2 May not fully benefit us at all in the
ways we want it to for us.

3 May not be a good thing to have
because we'd have to take it off when
when the weather rains or snows.
There you are my pros and cons on CIs!!

4 Good cost and replacements?? That is
too much money at all costs!! I just lost
$ 2,500 -$3,000 on all this and it needs
more in surgeries and all. No Way!!

5 I am sad, angry and not satisfied I
want it removed as soon as I can get
it out because its doing zipp-o for me.

I have pros and cons on HAs too!!

Pros:

1 picks up sound

2 its great for $3,000 - I can
hear and it makes my life a
whole lot easier with my own
deafness

3 I can pick colors for the mold
I really can be known that I am
still not able to fully hear but this
world is better than my deaf one

4 Wow I only need to replace a
not much cool

5 Cool!! I am in the hearing
world, so bye bye deaf culture
and society and yes!! I can use
my voice and still sign if I want
but after all I am a hearie now

Cons:

1 I cant hear everything but I hear a little with it

2 $3,000 - no thank you I'll keep the
money and the same way I am now with
being deaf

3 I appreciate my deaf world and now
places a device in my ear will really nearly
force me away from my deaf world at all
costs and I'll cry if it does because I dont
want a new world

4 Replacements needed!! Oh man it will be
a fortune spent on all this stuff

5 I got to leave deaf culture and society?
No!!!! I want to stay here with the
quietness and the fun of signing

THINK on my posts here be4 replying!! I mean I really am pointingout the truth here. Also I really have had the HA pros and cons a ton throughout my abusive growing up.

Deaflinuxgeek
 
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deaflinuxgeek said:
Right!! there is no need to bring the bible in here with this topic and I do
know that if CIs were a "perfect" solution everyone would have on that was deaf or became deaf late in life. CIs are not the "size fits all for everyone that is deaf" I would like to tell people that say that to be quiet!! LOOK!! A lot of people dont benefit from CIs and never will at any point. CIs have there pros and cons too. I can state directly 5 pros and 5 cons of CIs and I am not afraid to at all to do this. We all have our own opinions on CIs and why fight on our opinions when we all have different aspects of it. I refused a CI due to many reasons. My reasons were pain, having surgery every 3 years, relearning to talk, a ton of tests (ie blood tests, CT scans, MRIs, hearing tests) I am very sensitive to pain at all cost(I can bare a certain amount but not a great deal of it) and trust me I deal with pain almost everyday its not fun. If you want my pros and cons then fine I'll share here and NOW. And if my words are pulled out of contents I will be mad.

Pros:
1 Helps pick up sounds

2 Gives a chance to live in
the hearing world

3 Helps us in school

4 Has a lot of good replacements
for awhile and it has a good cost

5 I am happy it does help me a lot
and I love the benefits that are
given to me by it.

Cons:

1 Doesn't pick up all the sounds that are
needed to be heard

2 May not fully benefit us at all in the
ways we want it to for us.

3 May not be a good thing to have
because we'd have to take it off when
when the weather rains or snows.
There you are my pros and cons on CIs!!

4 Good cost and replacements?? That is
too much money at all costs!! I just lost
$ 2,500 -$3,000 on all this and it needs
more in surgeries and all. No Way!!

5 I am sad, angry and not satisfied I
want it removed as soon as I can get
it out because its doing zipp-o for me.

I have pros and cons on HAs too!!

Pros:

1 picks up sound

2 its great for $3,000 - I can
hear and it makes my life a
whole lot easier with my own
deafness

3 I can pick colors for the mold
I really can be known that I am
still not able to fully hear but this
world is better than my deaf one

4 Wow I only need to replace a
not much cool

5 Cool!! I am in the hearing
world, so bye bye deaf culture
and society and yes!! I can use
my voice and still sign if I want
but after all I am a hearie now

Cons:

1 I cant hear everything but I hear a little with it

2 $3,000 - no thank you I'll keep the
money and the same way I am now with
being deaf

3 I appreciate my deaf world and now
places a device in my ear will really nearly
force me away from my deaf world at all
costs and I'll cry if it does because I dont
want a new world

4 Replacements needed!! Oh man it will be
a fortune spent on all this stuff

5 I got to leave deaf culture and society?
No!!!! I want to stay here with the
quietness and the fun of signing

THINK on my posts here be4 replying!! I mean I really am pointingout the truth here. Also I really have had the HA pros and cons a ton throughout my abusive growing up.

Deaflinuxgeek
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Wow .... you have good Pros and Cons.. I agree with you..

Thanks!!

SxyPorkie
 
I give up; some individuals just has to be a lost cause.

No worries, I'll happily lead my family independent of close-mindedness.

Last but not the least, I leave you with this:

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oh really??

Fragmenter said:
I give up; some individuals just has to be a lost cause.

No worries, I'll happily lead my family independent of close-mindedness.

Last but not the least, I leave you with this:

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You think that your family and you are so open mided uh?? In every family there is at least one close minded person. And that image is so against disabled people that they would yell at you and give you nasty remarks on your problems I would watch it with you.

And I do have a point with my pros and cons and I am not lying on the statement on the picture Fragmenter.

Deaflinuxgeek
 
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