Make Polygamous Legal!!!

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That is not fair, if Gay people can get married, then
allow Polygamous Marriage legal, too.
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Judge Upholds Ban on Polygamous Marriage

Thu Feb 17,10:29 AM ET U.S. National - AP

SALT LAKE CITY - A county clerk can legally refuse to issue a marriage license for a polygamous union, a federal judge ruled, turning aside the argument that a landmark Supreme Court decision overturning anti-sodomy laws should also be applied to plural marriage.

U.S. District Judge Ted Stewart on Wednesday rejected the argument that the state's ban on polygamy violates constitutional rights of religion and privacy, saying the state has an interest in protecting monogamous marriage.

The judge emphasized his ruling was about marriage, not personal sexual conduct. He cited cases as far back as an 1878 Supreme Court ruling upholding the polygamy conviction of George Reynolds, personal secretary to Mormon pioneer leader Brigham Young.

The ruling upheld a decision by the Salt Lake County Clerk's Office in December 2003 to refuse a marriage license for a couple in which the man was seeking a second wife. He, his wife and the would-be second wife all joined in the suit, saying plural marriage is a central tenet in their religious beliefs.

Stewart said the 2003 Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, which found that a Texas anti-sodomy law violated the privacy of consenting adults, did not apply to the Utah case.

"Contrary to plaintiffs' assertion, the laws in question here do not preclude their private sexual conduct," Stewart said. "They do preclude the state of Utah from recognizing the marriage ... as a valid marriage under the laws of the state of Utah."

Attorney Brian Barnard said his clients — identified as G. Lee Cook, his wife, D. Cook, and his would-be second wife, J. Bronson — will appeal to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals and, if necessary, the Supreme Court.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints practiced polygamy in the 19th century but abandoned it when Utah sought statehood. Its prohibition was written into the state's constitution. Today, the Mormon church excommunicates members who advocate polygamy, but there may be as many as 30,000 adherents in the West.
 
It's not the same thing, Ms P. The reason polygamy is outlawed is because it often involves young girls. Very young girls, and that's illegal. It's illegal for someone to have sex with someone who under age.

Gay marriages usually refer to two adults who want to be married, and enjoy the same benefits as heterosexuals do.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
It's not the same thing, Ms P. The reason polygamy is outlawed is because it often involves young girls. Very young girls, and that's illegal. It's illegal for someone to have sex with someone who under age.

Gay marriages usually refer to two adults who want to be married, and enjoy the same benefits as heterosexuals do.


what? Wait is it illegal to marry children?

I thought the young girls get parents' permission to marry an older man.
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
what? Wait is it illegal to marry children?

I thought the young girls get parents' permission to marry an older man.

I honestly don't know, but I find it hard to believe that a parent would give permission for her 12yo to marry . Granted, it might happen, but I think it's sick. Children have no business being wives or husbands.

Period.
 
I agree with Oceanbreeze. It is too young for any underage gals to marry... They need some freedom for their own experiences to explore during growing... So that's way they can have the decent decision-making skill for their future children and marriage included their job and such as well.
 
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i also agree with what Oceangurl said -- i personally DO NOT support polygamy period! and Oceangurl does have said gay marriages would be between TWO ADULTS who are involved in a loving relationship between them and in a LTR it has nothing to do with polygamy nor of child brides/grooms
 
Fly Free said:
i also agree with what Oceangurl said -- i personally DO NOT support polygamy period! and Oceangurl does have said gay marriages would be between TWO ADULTS who are involved in a loving relationship between them and in a LTR it has nothing to do with polygamy nor of child brides/grooms

Right, Fly. I don't support polygamy, either; obviously. You can't compare the two. They are entirely different.
 
If your 13 years old daughter is pregnant by 17 years old boy...
And if they want to marry, would you allow it?

Is child labor legal here?

Better than having an abortion and being on welfare.

Look at me, I am wasting my time exploring...
I got nothing to do but stay at home...
and plus it is a tough world out there...

Yeah I would rather marry an older man if I was age 13, why not?
I can have all of my children and then I can go to college at age 40
and find work.

It is just not right for young teenage men who having hormone, have
to wait that long til 18 to have sex with the right person....
Young teenage men will have sex no matter what!!!

There aren't many jobs out there, anyway.
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
If your 13 years old daughter is pregnant by 17 years old boy...
And if they want to marry, would you allow it?

Is child labor legal here?

Better than having an abortion and being on welfare.

Look at me, I am wasting my time exploring...
I got nothing to do but stay at home...
and plus it is a tough world out there...

Yeah I would rather marry an older man if I was age 13, why not?
I can have all of my children and then I can go to college at age 40
and find work.

It is just not right for young teenage men who having hormone, have
to wait that long til 18 to have sex with the right person....
Young teenage men will have sex no matter what!!!

There aren't many jobs out there, anyway.

Excuse me? :wtf:
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Excuse me? :wtf:

There is nothing wrong with Polygamy...
I think it is okay for men or women to marry many people.

It is better than having an affair, right?

Many Men said they can't stay with just one woman. So I mean
Men can have 2 wives.

I'm not talking about marrying children.
 
*sighs*

This is quite interesting topic in here...

I am mormon and I have lived in Utah and know several people who practiced polygamy. The LDS (aka Mormon) church are against practicing polygamy and whoever is LDS does practice, then he or she would be excommunicated.


About young girls who were married to men, they were likely to be forced to married to one of their relatives or neighborhood.

I know... it is sick....


I need to find out the newspaper about it. HOLD your pants and I ll find it.
 
Yuck!!! Force to marry....

I would be running away if I have to marry somebody I don't want. :eek:
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
Yuck!!! Force to marry....

I would be running away if I have to marry somebody I don't want. :eek:



Several girls ran away and digusise themselves. At least they were free. Polygamy life isn't that great. Many women were living in bondage.
 
Polygamy is still practiced by some Muslims with some caveats as specificed out from the Qu'ran (Koran) written by the Prophet Mohammed:

Qur'an 4:2 said:
“Marry of the women that please you, two, three or four, but if you fear that you will not be able to deal justly with them, then only one.”


Read this article by a Muslim theologian on polygamy and religion. Very interesting article.

http://www.bilalphilips.com/abouthim/artic02a.htm
 
Bewitched said:
About young girls who were married to men, they were likely to be forced to married to one of their relatives or neighborhood.
In some asian countries, their cultures/societies allow women to marry their relatives (example: cousins, not brothers). To them, it is nothing wrong... but as for us, *cough*.
 
Magatsu said:
In some asian countries, their cultures/societies allow women to marry their relatives (example: cousins, not brothers). To them, it is nothing wrong... but as for us, *cough*.


You are absolutely right about that. Out of US, there are many cultures still practices varies of polygamy and I respect their beliefs, tradition and values... however my previous quote, I was only referring to U.S. young girls.


In my past time living in Utah, there were ongoing news in our community which there was a girl who espcaped from (I believe it was her uncle), Tom Green who was polygamist. The girl was forced by her father to marry her own uncle.

I can't seem to find the newspaper but I do have url of Tom Green.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/05/19/utah.polygamy/


One of Tom Green's comment about polygamy, he may say he is mormon but he is excommunicated and saying that mormon still practice polygamy today. Fortunately, it is not true. Mormon do not practice polygamy today and it has been banned since 1890.

Since some of you know that I am mormon, I gotta say... IM GLAD that I dont have to share my fiance to someone else!! He is all MINE! :dance:
 
It was one of the reasons why people were afraid to approve the Amendment 3 last October on Election Day. People feared that if Utah allowed gay and lesbian marriages to be recognised, then that the polygamists would complain for their legal rights as well. Of course, these two are two entirely different things. In some polygamous relationships, there are some abuse and incest going on. I remember reading about Tom Green and his family in Eagle's Mountain. Most of Utah voted about 60 to 65% against the Amendment 3, although in Salt Lake County, which is home to about 50% of the Utah population, nearly approved the Amendment 3 55% No 45% Yes.

Also, Bewitched, the polygamists are not actually members of the LDS Church, but rather the RLDS or FLDS church, aren't they? (Reformed, or Fundamental).
 
bewitched...true to say that the Mormons will excommunicate anyone who practiced polygamy. However there are some "unofficial and off-splinter" group of Mormons who DO practice polygamy like Tom Green did. One of the most common polygamy-practicing Mormon off-shoot is the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Read about this off-splinter group of Mormons there: http://www.religioustolerance.org/flds.htm


I also found something for you to read this, showing the history of polygamy in Mormonism before the official Church outlawed it back before Utah was admitted as an state:

http://www.lds-mormon.com/new_plural_marriages.shtml

Another interesting link about a Utah Dem trying to crack down on polygamy:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/28/94545/8620

and bewitched....I never knew so much about Mormonism before I married one. (Right now I'm about to get divorced)
 
Just a stupid question in regards to having multiple wives. Is there any legal benefit to it? What is to stop a man from having 5 female 'roomates' and not be legally married...but have relations with all 5?

I understand the issue when it comes to gay/lesbian and why people want such a union, but there are still no laws barring anyone from living with anybody.

Is it for the similar legal reasons that come up with gay/lesbian unions, such as health insurance, etc?
 
sablescort said:
bewitched...true to say that the Mormons will excommunicate anyone who practiced polygamy. However there are some "unofficial and off-splinter" group of Mormons who DO practice polygamy like Tom Green did. One of the most common polygamy-practicing Mormon off-shoot is the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Read about this off-splinter group of Mormons there: http://www.religioustolerance.org/flds.htm


I also found something for you to read this, showing the history of polygamy in Mormonism before the official Church outlawed it back before Utah was admitted as an state:

http://www.lds-mormon.com/new_plural_marriages.shtml

Another interesting link about a Utah Dem trying to crack down on polygamy:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/28/94545/8620

and bewitched....I never knew so much about Mormonism before I married one. (Right now I'm about to get divorced)


I have to say.... what you found several of websites... are appalling!!

I grew up with a mormon family, born raised and attends to church every sunday and I have been hearing a lot of rumors about polygamy. But when you shared with some of those sources, I have to say... I am quite shocked for what these fundamentalist mormon or original mormon believe in. It is disgusting and unforunate what they believe in. Their beliefs are mostly opposite of what we believe in.

From what I understand back in 19th century, the real reason was that mormon practiced in polygamy, when the LDS church was established in 1830, by Joseph Smith. During these times, many men were not obeying the laws, left the church, left their wives and children. Some men were killed in wars, died from disease, there were many reason why men left these families. Women were helpless with their children and they were taken in by another family. So on..... I hope you get the picture. Until, the LDS church was growing and growing. Nowadays, there are over 11 millions LDS members today.

In LDS church, it encourages us to believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law. When the polygamy was banned because the government was forbidding these mormon in U.S. to practice polygamy in 1890. Ever since, it became a sin. Whoever practice in polygamy will be excommunicated.

I hope I made myself clear *am I?* If I dont, you can PM me.

I never knew so much about Mormonism before I married one. (Right now I'm about to get divorced)[/QUOTE]

I am sorry to hear about your divorce. I wish I could give you the best answer. If your wife didn't share with you about mormonsim, then you can ask her. It s never too late to ask. Or you could ask me about mormonism. I would be happy to share. You can PM me. To Tell you the truth, many people misunderstood about the mormonism. Many thought we do worship Joseph Smith, which it is not true. We are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which is we worship Jesus Christ. So that is an example.
 
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