The new deaf generation....speaking and listening

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Kokonut, so the best of the best "proves" that this generation will be speaking and listening? This is almost like the exhibitions that Alexander Graham Bell put on in the 1800's.
There are kids who are doing well with CIs, but so what? There were (and are) kids doing well with HAs. And I mean you forget that speaking and hearing well is just ONE aspect of functioning. A lot of kids who hear and speak well, still have language errors (ie saying " how many spiders have legs?' for " How many legs do spiders have?' or have written language issues etc. Besides, another big question is.....what impact does living life as an eternal speech therapy session have on a dhh kid? jillo has seen the "sucessful ones", and many of us here were and labeled as the "sucessful" oralists.........but it took a HUGE HUGE HUGE toll on social emotional issues. Even sucessful adult oral only people will commonly say that they like being able to hear and speak, but they also don't feel like they fit totally into the hearing world.....and they don't fit into the Deaf world b/c they didn't grow up with ASL....and they ALSO don't fit in with the HLAA contigenet since most of the membership of that org is late deafened.
 
Deafdyke, maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression when you talk about adult "oral only" deaf people, that you're thinking mainly of people who learned to talk with great effort, never being able to hear themselves or others, and who lip-read extensively. Success (if you call that "success"), was only because of extremely hard work for both the individuals and for their parents, assuming the deaf ones were deaf as children.

Is that right?

It seems to me that children with the CIs (or HAs, if used) having access to sound much earlier will have a much easier time of it than today's "oral only" adult generation had when they themselves were youngsters.
 
In your blog you talk about
Early intervention is the key and parental involvement must play a huge role in this. It's simply up to parents to make an *informed decision* before moving forward. And we must accept those parents' decisions. Kokonut Pundit: The new deaf generation....listening and speaking.
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F*ck off we MUST. My statement is
Its never too late to fix the teams mistakes
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. One thing I love about living away home is I choose my when and how my "toolbox" comes into play
 
F*ck off we MUST. My statement is
Its never too late to fix the teams mistakes
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inmate..

Early intervention is the key. Regardless of what route you take.

I agree it is never too late... but in this case think about what they have missed out on before. So The sooner the better.
 
inmate23 said:
In your blog you talk about

F*ck off we MUST. My statement is . One thing I love about living away home is I choose my when and how my "toolbox" comes into play
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kokonut said:
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Babyblue said:
inmate..

Early intervention is the key. Regardless of what route you take.

I agree it is never too late... but in this case think about what they have missed out on before. So The sooner the better.
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I was talking about right of the disabled young person to make other than their parents
 
Parents are the guardian of their own children. They make the necessary informed decision.
 
inmate23 said:
I was talking about right of the disabled young person to make other than their parents
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It is the parents rights, to make informed decisions about the child. :) Not your right to tell a parent what to do with their own child.

These children have shown they are happy and content with how their parents raised them.

I know I am happy with how my parents raised me. They made informed decisions to have me fitted for hearing aids. They made informed decisions to take me to speech therapy. They made informed decisions to put me in a public school. As I got older they allowed me to make my own choice. I decided to go to High School at a Deaf school. I loved it. They allowed me to make my choice when I got older. Until then.. A child can not make an informed rational decision.
 
kokonut said:
Parents are the guardian of their own children. They make the necessary informed decision.
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Babyblue said:
It is the parents rights, to make informed decisions about the child. :) Not your right to tell a parent what to do with their own child.

These children have shown they are happy and content with how their parents raised them.

I know I am happy with how my parents raised me.
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wasnt trying

that great but does that take away the RIGHTS of disabled young people(once living outside of parental control) to make their OWN diffident choices
 
disabled young people(once living outside of parental control) to make their OWN diffident choices
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What disablitites are you talking about?? I lost you..

If you are talking about deafness. A child outside of parental control is in the hands of the guardian. If it is a young adult then they can make their own choices.
 
Anyways.. regarding to the OP post. I think it is great that early intervention is being taken.

Watching the video I also noticed the accent of the children. Which I find interesting, and awesome. :)

Good to hear some positive things on CIs.
 
Babyblue said:
If you are talking about deafness. A child outside of parental control is in the hands of the guardian. If it is a young adult then they can make their own choices.
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i no that i grew up in care

what im talking is young person cannot be law be made to communicate in parents chosen method and can make the choice to use another communication method in day to day life. Which if AVT was the early invention chosen can make early invention seem like wasted years to the young person

get me now?
 
The kids in the video reminded me when I was young. I was very proud to show off the rewards of my hard work which was speaking well. And I WAS proud. But I could not have known as a child that this wasn't enough and being so aware of how hard my mother worked on teaching me to speak (two hours a day of speech therapy MINIMUM), I would have never publicly voiced any complaints. I mean, before you're filmed, you're kinda prepped to show the public how successful you are so you get the message that that's what you have to present.
As for tone and inflection, you CAN get that with hearing aids. Music was a huge huge part of my speech therapy in that it taught me rhythm and influctuations of tone - I learned to play musical instruments and music was always playing all day long in the house. furthermore, I have the ability to pick up accents and mimick them perfectly. So, it's misleading to imply that only kids with CIs can acquire that ability.
I watched the videos and I got a little pissy at certain comments like "when I learned my child was deaf, I shut down because how am I supposed to communicate with him" or "i thought my child would have to learn sign language, gosh, that means that the family would have to too" or "20 years ago, I would have had to tell you to send your kid to special ed but with cochlear implants, they can go to a normal school" - right off the bat, there's instantly audist slants. Even the description for the first video is misleading "Deaf children learn to speak and LISTEN fluently." That suggests children have perfect hearing with CIs which is definitely not the norm.
 
inmate23 said:
i no that i grew up in care

what im talking is young person cannot be law be made to communicate in parents chosen method and can make the choice to use another communication method in day to day life. Which if AVT was the early invention chosen can make early invention seem like wasted years to the young person

get me now?
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Nope, sorry I don't....Maybe you said..."what I'm talking about is that a young person cannot, by law, be made to communicate in their parent's chosen communication method and the young person can make the choice to use another communication method in day-to-day life...Which if AVT (?) was the early invention chosen (by the parents?), then it can make early invention seem like wasted years to the young person."

What is "AVT"?, please enlighten me.
 
please note i went to the youtube channel and found this:

Thank you for coming to view our film, LISTEN... I'M SPEAKING, highlighting the benefits of Auditory/Verbal teaching for children born deaf.
Special thanks to our sponsors who made this production possible:
The Graeme Clark Foundation - Home
Hear and Say Centre - Welcome to the Hear and Say Centre
La Trobe University ISP - Institute for Social Participation YouTube - ‪PipelineMedia1's Channel‬‏
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these videos are adverting AGBELL nothing more nothing less
 
I understood what inmate was saying, grammatically correct or not.
 
I posted a comment to say that it's misleading to say "listen fluently" since CIs do not give you perfect hearing and they deleted it. Nice.

secondly, the film was sponsored by for CI companies - not exactly an objective stance. They are clearly pushing the image that a deaf child can only be functional and happy with CIs.

On youtube, I looked at Pipeline's channel to see the info about the films and lo and behold:

PipelineMedia1 Thank you for coming to view our film, LISTEN... I'M SPEAKING, highlighting the benefits of Auditory/Verbal teaching for children born deaf.
Special thanks to our sponsors who made this production possible:
The Graeme Clark Foundation - http://www.graemeclarkfoundation.org
Hear and Say Centre - http://www.hearandsay.com.au
La Trobe University ISP - Institute for Social Participation

Graeme Clark Foundation- The Graeme Clark Foundation aims to ensure that all deaf people can hear and develop their full potential in the world of sound. It is essential that the ground breaking research resulting in the cochlear implant (bionic ear), led by Graeme Clark and developed industrially by Cochlear Limited...

Welcome to the Hear and Say Centre’s website
The Hear and Say Centre is one of the leading Paediatric Auditory-Verbal and cochlear implant centres in the world, teaching children who are deaf or hearing impaired to listen and speak since 1992.

LaTrobe University: Issues of social participation are much-discussed and debated. The Institute for Social Participation (ISP) is committed to better understanding and enactment of the principles of social participation which we (provisionally) understand as the individual’s right to experience self-determined modes of engagement in all aspects of society. Such a definition refers to spheres of possible social engagement (e.g., interpersonal, social, vocational) and to individuals’ health, economic resources and social attitudes.

"Self-determined modes of engagement" - it's not self-determined if the parent determined that for the child.
 
DeafCaroline said:
The kids in the video reminded me when I was young. I was very proud to show off the rewards of my hard work which was speaking well. And I WAS proud. But I could not have known as a child that this wasn't enough and being so aware of how hard my mother worked on teaching me to speak (two hours a day of speech therapy MINIMUM), I would have never publicly voiced any complaints. I mean, before you're filmed, you're kinda prepped to show the public how successful you are so you get the message that that's what you have to present.
As for tone and inflection, you CAN get that with hearing aids. Music was a huge huge part of my speech therapy in that it taught me rhythm and influctuations of tone - I learned to play musical instruments and music was always playing all day long in the house. furthermore, I have the ability to pick up accents and mimick them perfectly. So, it's misleading to imply that only kids with CIs can acquire that ability.
I watched the videos and I got a little pissy at certain comments like "when I learned my child was deaf, I shut down because how am I supposed to communicate with him" or "i thought my child would have to learn sign language, gosh, that means that the family would have to too" or "20 years ago, I would have had to tell you to send your kid to special ed but with cochlear implants, they can go to a normal school" - right off the bat, there's instantly audist slants. Even the description for the first video is misleading "Deaf children learn to speak and LISTEN fluently." That suggests children have perfect hearing with CIs which is definitely not the norm.
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It does nothing of the sort. It says "Deaf children learn to listen and speak fluently" meaning deaf children can learn to listen and speak fluently which says nothing about perfect hearing. Speaking fluently does NOT require having perfect hearing. None.
 
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rockin'robin said:
What is "AVT"?, please enlighten me.
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audio verbal therapy-learning to listen and speak through hearing technology only. common for therapist to use a piece of paper to stop lipreading parents,teachers, are encouraged to use their hands to stop lipreading and common to get kicked out of programmes for signing

on alldeaf a few months ago we had a member who had his ci break and he couldnt function without it because the only resources he had been allowed was AVT
 
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