The Civil War.

If you lived back in the civil war days what side would you be on?

Id fight for the south.

North.....good ol' swamp yankee here!

Hmmm I would be for South since I was born in South. My hubby was born in North, his descants fought for North and my descants fought for south. My hubby is for south.

Depending on point of view on Civil War.

One big sad note about Civil War, a lot people think Civil War is all based on Slavery. Not true.

I don't wanna go into debate over this... I was taught by my hubby to look on different point of view. Can't argue w that.

I would fight for the North, because North is all about freedom, South had salavery. South was really cruel to black people and I used to watch movies, read books all about it. It is sad how they were treated. I have live northern all my life and I would support the North.

Although I lived in an area well below the Mason Dixie Line, I would probably NOT participate in the war but help the slaves escape. I come from a family line of Quakers, who did not believe in participating in wars.

Downing is right. Civil War is not just about slavery. It's more about the states' rights to make laws without federal interfence. It was about two of these.

RS, you have been rambling about the Democrats. This time its the Republicans' fault this country went through a war. The Republicans always wanted to have a strong government that infridge onto States' rights.

i also grew up south of the Mason-Dixon line and i would be supporting the North

kuifje75 said:

Downing is right. Civil War is not just about slavery. It's more about the states' rights to make laws without federal interfence. It was about two of these.

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I thought civil war is about it's slavery and it's preservation. That is what most people believe and myself too unless you have something else to back up your statement that it isn't about slavery.

Cheri said:

I thought civil war is about it's slavery and it's preservation. That is what most people believe and myself too unless you have something else to back up your statement that it isn't about slavery.

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Ok...

http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_was_the_reason_for_the_Civil_War

http://americancivilwar.com/kids_zone/causes.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_4_33/ai_77010131

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Constitution_Issues/genesis_civil_war.htm

Before the war, Lincoln himself had pledged to leave slavery intact, to enforce the fugitive slave laws, and to support an amendment that would forever guarantee slavery where it then existed. Neither did he lift a finger to repeal the anti-Negro laws that besotted all Northern states, Illinois in particular.

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Need more links, Cheri?

In Elementary and Hi School, they don't really discuss the real WHY there was Civil war. The use of Slavery was a good way to make the north look good. Once you go in college and study in history, you will be REAL surprise the root cause of the civil war. Number one reason... South wants to have their own law made for themselves without washington people telling them what to make law. The washington people balked at the south, then the South declare "Divorce" from the north. The people in the North refused to start the Civil war. That is where Abraham Lincoln face that, and Abe got an idea and used Slavery as excuse of why he wants to start the war with the South to keep the south in the union. The North agreed with Abe on that as incentive to start war with the South. Abe's excuse was so successful that caused everybody to believe this. But the truth is it has NOTHING to do with slavery in the first place.

DHB

Nope! South wants COMPLETELY freedom from the North. I am from North and will NEVER again live in the South!

DHB

Cheri said:

I would fight for the North, because North is all about freedom, South had salavery. South was really cruel to black people and I used to watch movies, read books all about it. It is sad how they were treated. I have live northern all my life and I would support the North.

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kuifje75 said:

Ok...

http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_was_the_reason_for_the_Civil_War

http://americancivilwar.com/kids_zone/causes.html

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_4_33/ai_77010131

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Constitution_Issues/genesis_civil_war.htm



Need more links, Cheri?

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Ummm... I read this quote

It was fought over the twin issues of slavery and states rights. The south developed a view of the relationship between the federal government and the states which, if it had prevailed, would have made it almost impossible for the federal government to enforce its laws. Although the southern view was an arguable interpretation of the constitution, the primary reason they developed it was to rotect the institution of slavery.

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That quote didn't show that it wasn't involved salvery...


Second link:

Another quarrel between the North and South and perhaps the most emotional one, was over the issue of slavery.

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another one

The fighting of the American Civil War would last four long years at a cost of 620,000 lives. In the end the Northern states prevailed- our country remained united, the Federal government was changed forever, and slavery came to an end.

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Third link:

More than 130 years later, we still argue over its causes, effects, and meaning. Some argue that the main, though not only, cause of the war was slavery. Others insist that the war was provoked by an overreaching federal government that refused to recognize the Southern states' rights.

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So why was the Civil War fought? That seems a simple enough question to answer: Just look at what those fighting the war had to say. If we do that, the lines are clear. Southern leaders said they were fighting to preserve slavery. Abraham Lincoln said the North fought to preserve the Union, and later, to end slavery.

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I dunno, it sounds like there are argument on rather Civil war is based on salvery or not, So when I was in high school I was taught that Civil war was based on salvery. If it was wrong then we shouldn't be taught it that way. But it sounds like most of the links you gave me support that fact that Civil war is based on salvery.. Sorry.

diehardbiker65 said:

Nope! South wants COMPLETELY freedom from the North. I am from North and will NEVER again live in the South!

DHB

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Yep that is kinda true, In fact that the South was afraid of Abraham Lincoln.

Once you go in college study in liberal art, it was your job to "Dig" in for the "WHY" while High school only tech you "HOW" Thats difference. I know alot of high school teaching was not 100% accurate but they consider them as "Close enough".

The use of Slavery as excuse for civil war was later added, rather than in the beginning of fight between North and the South.

The North tend don't believe in starting the war unless there is GOOD reason to do so. Starting war to preserve the union isn't good enough for the North. So, that is how "Slavery" was brought up.

DHB

Cheri said:

I dunno, it sounds like there are argument on rather Civil war is based on salvery or not, So when I was in high school I was taught that Civil war was based on salvery. If it was wrong then we shouldn't be taught it that way. But it sounds like most of the links you gave me support that fact that Civil war is based on salvery.. Sorry.

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diehardbiker65 said:

Once you go in college study in liberal art, it was your job to "Dig" in for the "WHY" while High school only tech you "HOW" Thats difference. I know alot of high school teaching was not 100% accurate but they consider them as "Close enough".

The use of Slavery as excuse for civil war was later added, rather than in the beginning of fight between North and the South.

The North tend don't believe in starting the war unless there is GOOD reason to do so. Starting war to preserve the union isn't good enough for the North. So, that is how "Slavery" was brought up.

DHB

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I am not in college or even planning on going to college either, But. the only way we know the real truth why North and South fought by having the soliders tell their story because they were the ones that fought in the war. I know it is a very diffcult to know weather it was salvery or not.

North.

Lincolin was a republican and he was against slavery. So what is it had to do with democrats today?

My hubby is against the slavery issue. His family was from Dutch Reformed and Quakers. they started to discuss about freeing slaves in New York during 1600s. Not just based on Civil War.

But his descandants were farmers like the Southerns, they wanted state rights in first place before slavery issue ever was brought up. The reason why they wanted to use state rights, the farmers worked so hard to grow their crops for trading to Europe. Like Tobacco, Cotton, and many more without any federal interventions.

But Northerns wanted to start industrials to come up with new technologies such as railroad, iron clads, steamboats, and many more. That is why farmers became afraid to lose their profits.

Like what is happening today is where are the farmers? Farmers are starting to become extinct.

Another example, they said Republicans was the one who started the civil war, using their excuse by using "slavery" as their biggest issue.

Remember you learned from school, compare history...look at civil war issue and now look at Iraq issue. Republicans like Bush said that they decided to attack Iraq because of Saddam Hussien who was cruelty to their own people and mass destruction. We already captured Hussein, but they never found mass destruction and Iraq itself is not stable enough. Americans thought Bush is going after oil, now you can see all the gas prices are going up.

Think about history in civil war, after the war was ended, south was joined with north, but civil rights for blacks have not been resolved until 1960s. the civil rights started in 1867 but nothing was being done until 1960s by Martin Luther King, Jr.


It will go same thing for Iraq that won't be resolved. Some people have different opinions, my hubby don't consider himself racist, since he is opposed to slavery in the beginning.

Cheri said:

I dunno, it sounds like there are argument on rather Civil war is based on salvery or not, So when I was in high school I was taught that Civil war was based on salvery. If it was wrong then we shouldn't be taught it that way. But it sounds like most of the links you gave me support that fact that Civil war is based on salvery.. Sorry.

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I dunno, but it seems like you didn't read in depth. The fourth link states the followings:

The Confederate Constitution did, however, make possible the gradual elimination of slavery, a process that would have been made easier had the North not so severely restricted the movements of former slaves.

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"The war between the North and the South is a tariff war. The war is further, not for any principle, does not touch the question of slavery, and in fact turns on the Northern lust for sovereignty."

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A very thought-provoking post, downing, thanks.
We have been taught so many things in our schools that we are discovering to be lies, and that is rather disheartening, isn't it? It shouldn't be, though. We can be surrounded by loud-mouthed fools and still the ring of truth is clear as a bell, and the fools will be soon forgotten.
I agree that our farmers are in trouble.
That would be a good thread for you to start, downing. I am very interested.

An addition:

In broad outline, the Confederate Constitution is an amended U.S. Constitution. Even on slavery, there is little difference. Whereas the U.S. Constitution ended the importation of slaves after 1808, the Confederate Constitution simply forbade it. Both constitutions allowed slave ownership, of course.

In fact, slavery only became a constitutional issue after the war had begun. In his 1861 inaugural address, Abraham Lincoln said, "Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States that by the accession of a Republican administration their property [is] to be endangered.... I have no purpose, directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the United States where it exists.... I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclina6on to do so."

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From: http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=353

The flags

Hello, I would like to add my point to why civil war has begun has nothing to do with Slavery. You see, The south wants divorce the north, hence create their own Mason-Dixie flag, the red flag with blue cross and that white star is in the blue strip. This is their voice of wishing to seperate from the North, and that flag was created way before the idea of anti-slavery.

This history were very similiar when we had war with england. The real reason for war with england is what? That Uncle Sam wanted to divorce from the bucklingham palace. Sure there is alot talks about taxes as reason for the war with England, but again it has nothing to do with taxes. Just a divorce matters.

DHB