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Not sure where to post this thread. Sorry if my English isn't that great.

I have been researching for weeks about Canada's culture, economy, immigrate policy, and etc.

I really, really, want to live in Canada more than living in US.

But the problem is...

The Canada Immigration Act requires this country to reject applications for immigration from persons with any “disease, disorder, disability or other health impairment” which may cause them to be “a danger to public health or public safety” or which may reasonably be expected to place “excessive demands on health or social services.”

http://www.cad.ca/immigration_&_medical_admissibility.php

Right now, I'm not qualify to immigrate to Canada yet. All I need to do is to improve skills in English and working experiences. I'll be ready within 5 to 10 years.

Is it possible that within 5 to 10 years that Canada will allow deaf like me to become Canadian?

Do you know anyone who is deaf and moved to Canada and obtained Canada citizenship? (not including marry someone from Canada)
 
I know a deaf Canadian living in Ontario. She is going to immigrate to the U.S. when she marries next year.
 
Mabbit said:
Care to explain how that will help me out?
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Well, the way I see it, if there are already Canadian deaf citizens, why won't they allow foreign deaf to immigrate there? The law you quoted appears to be very discriminatory towards people with disabilities and that would violate a UN agreement wouldn't it? Canada is a member of the UN isn't it?

I have a friend whom is an attorney that works with US Immigration - I could ask her but she may not be familiar with Canadian laws. (And my friend's deafness is not a danger to public health)
 
Hmm, good point, never thought of that way.

Is it possible to contact UN to inform them about Canada won't allow foreign deaf to immigrate to Canada?
 
Mabbit said:
Hmm, good point, never thought of that way.

Is it possible to contact UN to inform them about Canada won't allow foreign deaf to immigrate to Canada?
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I would first contact the authorities in Canada and ask them to verify whether they allow deaf or not to immigrate. Ask for it in writing. They may reject people with disabilities that pose a public health hazard (and I don't know exactly what that means - you have to ask the Canadian authorities).
 
The Canada Immigration Act requires this country to reject applications for immigration from persons with any “disease, disorder, disability or other health impairment” which may cause them to be “a danger to public health or public safety” or which may reasonably be expected to place “excessive demands on health or social services.”

That's part of reason why they won't allow deaf to immigrate.
 
Mabbit said:
The Canada Immigration Act requires this country to reject applications for immigration from persons with any “disease, disorder, disability or other health impairment” which may cause them to be “a danger to public health or public safety” or which may reasonably be expected to place “excessive demands on health or social services.”

That's part of reason why they won't allow deaf to immigrate.
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Ah, I get it now. So, get a job lined up in Canada. prove you are not a deadbeat and they will let you immigrate (it seems).
 
Mabbit said:
Dmitri Smirnov, a deaf Russian painter, refused permanent residency in Canada because he failed verbal language tests | National Post

^ There's another problem too.
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If Canada is rejecting residency simply due to someone being deaf, I am **assuming** it is in violation of international human rights laws.

here is a link for you to look into:

http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/Pages/InternationalLaw.aspx

Also, the CRPD requires nations to recognize that the human rights of people with disabilities deserve the same level of commitment that governments demonstrate toward the rights of people without disabilities and society as a whole.
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and this:

http://www.nad.org/issues/international-advocacy/crpd
 
My friend moved to Canada just over a year ago with her husband getting work over there. (Same company he worked for in the UK but they have business over in Canada and US). They are just applying for their pernement visas to live there. They say its a easy process.

My school friend is moving over to Canada at the end of the year as well. Her husband is Canadian and have decided to live in Canada.

I know that Canada would want to know if you will be a burden on their health care system before you are given the all clear.
 
I would worry more about showing Canada whether you're self sufficient rather than whether you're deaf or not. I don't think anyone will want to know your hearing loss dB as long as you can prove that you can succeed out in Canada.

Remember, there is a reason Canada offers free health care. They wouldn't want anyone to take advantage of it.
 
Steinhauer said:
Well, the way I see it, if there are already Canadian deaf citizens, why won't they allow foreign deaf to immigrate there? The law you quoted appears to be very discriminatory towards people with disabilities and that would violate a UN agreement wouldn't it? Canada is a member of the UN isn't it?
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Yeah, well, if someone was BORN in Canada this someone is already a Canadian citizen by default, disabled or not.
Or, suppose someone was granted citizenship (naturalized) while fully able-bodied then
suffered an accident which resulted in disability - same thing.

Either way, you can't throw a legal citizen out simply for being born or becoming disabled just because disabled immigrants are generally not accepted into Canada.
Likewise, it also doesn't mean disabled immigration visa applicant is going to be granted entry because natural born/naturalized disabled citizens are living here.

Discriminatory law - while the law may indeed seem to very discriminatory against disabled people it mainly protects interest of Canada - think of the financial burden
you and I and every Canadian would have to bear if we allowed anybody with serious medical condition to come in.
Who and how and how much would have to pay for it? what government subsidized programs, already scarce, would have have to be cut, schools, hospitals etc reduced, jobs closed,
taxes raised etc etc - all for to be able to afford the very costly "free" medical services of Canada...


Fuzzy
 
I am not sure how easy it is to immigrate from US to Canada in general, let alone as a deaf person,
why not try to find out if it is possible to make an appointment with someone in the Consulate or Embassy -whichever have the required offices, and ask some specific questions?

I know for a fact that in the 80-ties during Poland Martial Law quite a number of deaf Poles immigrated into Canada without any problems.
But, that was martial law, yes, how is the situation now I am not sure.

However like someone smartly pointed out the disability is looked at more in terms of how costly it is for Canada to support that person.
The deaf people are usually low cost to no cost at all,
unless you plan to spend your life here being on welfare collecting costly HA every few years and countless batteries or, worse, to get a CI and whatnot.

I assume you don't have any chronic ear disease or anything like that which require ongoing costly medical care & maintenance?

Fuzzy
 
They don't want people moving here and then taking advantage of government programs like social assistance, or disabilty, etc. Not that people don't because I know a good amt f people who just have kids to get the "baby" bonuses you get from the govt which I think is riduculous. I know its harder to move from the states than say from a country that has war, poverty, bad conditions, etc. I live IN canada and want to move back to the states. I get we have "free" health care but it's not really free when you think of all the taxes we pay and the health "care" we get is subpar I believe. When I lived in the states (Maryland) I had great drs. I could go to a specialist if I wanted and didn't have to wait a year +. Our dr shortage is a serious problem as our the hospitals. Don't think canada is all that its cracked up to be..because it definitely isn't.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Yeah, well, if someone was BORN in Canada this someone is already a Canadian citizen by default, disabled or not.
Or, suppose someone was granted citizenship (naturalized) while fully able-bodied then
suffered an accident which resulted in disability - same thing.

Either way, you can't throw a legal citizen out simply for being born or becoming disabled just because disabled immigrants are generally not accepted into Canada.
Likewise, it also doesn't mean disabled immigration visa applicant is going to be granted entry because natural born/naturalized disabled citizens are living here.

Discriminatory law - while the law may indeed seem to very discriminatory against disabled people it mainly protects interest of Canada - think of the financial burden
you and I and every Canadian would have to bear if we allowed anybody with serious medical condition to come in.
Who and how and how much would have to pay for it? what government subsidized programs, already scarce, would have have to be cut, schools, hospitals etc reduced, jobs closed,
taxes raised etc etc - all for to be able to afford the very costly "free" medical services of Canada...


Fuzzy
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That is a very scary gray area for people with disabilities whom currently reside in Canada though. It reminds me of a mathematical word problem used in textbooks for children during the Third Reich. Not a verbatim quote but a question was asked about how much money the government would save if people depending on government assistance were eliminated.

If the Canadian Government is essentially saying "if you have a disability, you are not welcome here" to foreigners, then their attitude about their own citizens whom are disabled is probably the same. By their own laws, they are implicating that it is the official view of the Canadian government that people with disabilities are human leeches sucking their economy dry.
 
I'm not planning to move to Canada to take advantage of health care system.

I went to Canada for vacations before. I felt more comfortable to be there than in USA.
The lifestyle in Canada is more suitable for me than in USA.

I don't think my needs will go over 5,000 dollars for social services.

I only need interpreters for eye doctor and dentist yearly. that's all.

How can I be more burden to Canada if I would love to help Canada more than USA?

For instance, I didn't register to vote in USA because I don't want to represent myself as an american. I want to represent of Canadian because I want to be proud of it... but I can't because Canada won't allow deaf people from getting Canada citizens.
 
Mabbit said:
I'm not planning to move to Canada to take advantage of health care system.

I went to Canada for vacations before. I felt more comfortable to be there than in USA.
The lifestyle in Canada is more suitable for me than in USA.

I don't think my needs will go over 5,000 dollars for social services.

I only need interpreters for eye doctor and dentist yearly. that's all.

How can I be more burden to Canada if I would love to help Canada more than USA?

For instance, I didn't register to vote in USA because I don't want to represent myself as an american. I want to represent of Canadian because I want to be proud of it... but I can't because Canada won't allow deaf people from getting Canada citizens.
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Only $5,000?
 
To each their own I guess...but if you were saying you're gonna use any type of social service they aren't going to be jumping for joy on letting you in the country ..just saying.
 
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