Borderline alocholic ??

CyberRed said:

I was discussin' with one of my friends about " borderline " alocholic. I need your opinions and feedbacks on this issue.

Anyone know how many cans of beer equals to one glass of wine or let's say how many glasses of wine equals to cans of beer that will make person a borderline alocholic ? I mean, everyday - yeah.

Much appreciated !

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Hi there CyberRed!

Let's see... well, table wine tends to be around 11% alcohol by volume, and beer tends to be around 5% alcohol by volume. So, you have to drink roughly twice as much beer as wine to become drunk.

Interestingly, if you think about it, the way we customarily serve wine and beer (wine in wine glasses, and beer in cans or bottles), generally you're served about twice as much beer per serving as wine. So, if I sit down and drink a typical bottle of beer, and my wife sits down and drinks a typical glass of wine, we have basically consumed the same amount of alcohol, even though she may still be thirsty, because her glass was smaller.

In any event, I think that usually people say that you're not an alcoholic until your need to drink starts to damage your relationships and your ability to function as a normal member of society (trouble with school or jobs, trouble with family and friends, trouble with your responsibilities and bills, etc.) So, if you drink regularly, but no one is getting hurt (including yourself), then you're at least a functional alcoholic, and quite possibly just a normal person who happens to like alcoholic drinks.



By the way, where in Iowa do you live? I live in Des Moines with my wife and kids.

Calphool said:

Hi there CyberRed!

Let's see... well, table wine tends to be around 11% alcohol by volume, and beer tends to be around 5% alcohol by volume. So, you have to drink roughly twice as much beer as wine to become drunk.

Interestingly, if you think about it, the way we customarily serve wine and beer (wine in wine glasses, and beer in cans or bottles), generally you're served about twice as much beer per serving as wine. So, if I sit down and drink a typical bottle of beer, and my wife sits down and drinks a typical glass of wine, we have basically consumed the same amount of alcohol, even though she may still be thirsty, because her glass was smaller.

In any event, I think that usually people say that you're not an alcoholic until your need to drink starts to damage your relationships and your ability to function as a normal member of society (trouble with school or jobs, trouble with family and friends, trouble with your responsibilities and bills, etc.) So, if you drink regularly, but no one is getting hurt (including yourself), then you're at least a functional alcoholic, and quite possibly just a normal person who happens to like alcoholic drinks.



By the way, where in Iowa do you live? I live in Des Moines with my wife and kids.

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Hello there Calphool !

About time that someone responded to this thread ! I've been waitin' for someone to answer this one for me - you are the first person to answer. Thanks !

Umm - speakin' of the glass of wine and a beer ( can or bottle ) - is it either one that will make a person a borderline alcoholic if, drink too much everyday right ? I want to make sure that I understand.

I just thought that it was only the wine that will make a person a borderline alcoholic, if that person drinks alot everyday. That's what I was discussin' with one of my friends. *chuckles* So much to learn somethin' new everyday huh ? I used to drink beer before - but, now I don't... not anymore. I drink more healthy drinks like juices, tea, water and so forth, except no coffee.

Off topic : I don't mind tellin' you what part of Iowa I live, but I am not that kind of person to give away my exact whereabout ( where I live ). Maybe, someday when I feel more confidence in someone that I know well enough. I am sorry. I hope that you understand. I would love to, but not this time. It's really nice meetin' you and, even thou it's a faceless introduction. LOL

Thanks for sharin' your pieces about alcohol beverages.

wow, I didn't see this thread here...

6 Reasons to Drink Wine
Health.com :: 6 Reasons to Drink Wine

More links in google will help you to understand...
drink wine moderately - Google-Suche

I'm wine lover...

A glass of wine on each day is a moderately, not borderline alcoholic. It's too much if you drink 2 or 3 glass of wine a day in everyday. 1 glass of wine on each day is enough and good health for you...

I drank a glass of red wine every weekends or public holidays.

Wine has high % alcoholic than beer (2 beers for one glass wine) but wine have low calories than beer. I prefer wine over beer because wine is healther than beer.

Is what you want question about? any question?

Liebling:-))) said:

wow, I didn't see this thread here...

6 Reasons to Drink Wine
Health.com :: 6 Reasons to Drink Wine

More links in google will help you to understand...
drink wine moderately - Google-Suche

I'm wine lover...

A glass of wine on each day is a moderately, not borderline alcoholic. It's too much if you drink 2 or 3 glass of wine a day in everyday. 1 glass of wine on each day is enough and good health for you...

I drank a glass of red wine every weekends or public holidays.

Wine has high % alcoholic than beer (2 beers for one glass wine) but wine have low calories than beer. I prefer wine over beer because wine is healther than beer.

Is what you want question about? any question?

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Ah, ok so are you sayin' that if, a person drinks too much of wine everyday ( more than one glass of wine ) and that will make this person a borderline alcoholic right ?

Same thing with beer, too right ?

CyberRed said:

Hello there Calphool !

About time that someone responded to this thread ! I've been waitin' for someone to answer this one for me - you are the first person to answer. Thanks !

Umm - speakin' of the glass of wine and a beer ( can or bottle ) - is it either one that will make a person a borderline alcoholic if, drink too much everyday right ? I want to make sure that I understand.

I just thought that it was only the wine that will make a person a borderline alcoholic, if that person drinks alot everyday. That's what I was discussin' with one of my friends. *chuckles* So much to learn somethin' new everyday huh ? I used to drink beer before - but, now I don't... not anymore. I drink more healthy drinks like juices, tea, water and so forth, except no coffee.

Off topic : I don't mind tellin' you what part of Iowa I live, but I am not that kind of person to give away my exact whereabout ( where I live ). Maybe, someday when I feel more confidence in someone that I know well enough. I am sorry. I hope that you understand. I would love to, but not this time. It's really nice meetin' you and, even thou it's a faceless introduction. LOL

Thanks for sharin' your pieces about alcohol beverages.

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Hi Hi CyberRed,

No problem about your location. We'll probably get to know each other more later. My wife and I are learning ASL, and it's nice to meet new people -- both to help us learn sign faster, and also just to make new friends. We've met so many wonderful people as we've learned sign. My brother-in-law is deaf, and I have a cousin that's deaf as well. We decided to learn sign so that we could speak with my brother-in-law better. (We don't see my cousin very often, but it will be nice to be able to sign with her too.)

My wife is better at signing than me. She signs at our church every Sunday. I am slower than she is, but I tease her that I am more "articulate".


I think you can become an alcoholic no matter what type of drink you use. If it has alcohol in it, you can become an alcoholic if you drink it often. If it creates problems with your family and responsibilities, then you are an alcoholic. Even mouthwash has alcohol, so technically a person could become an alcoholic from drinking mouthwash!!

When I was younger--in my early 20s, I went through a phase where I could easily see how someone could become an alcoholic. I did binge drinking with my friends every weekend. I think that it's a very slippery road from a "party drinker" to alcoholic. Some people don't have any problems with it, but many do, and I think it starts in the teens and 20s sometimes. Some people use alcohol because of depression, and that's also a way that people slip into alcoholism. Think about it. If you are depressed, you drink a little to feel better. Then, you get a little too drunk some time and you miss your bus to work, so you lose your job. Then, since you lost your job, you drink a little to feel better about your depression and losing your job. Then, since you are drunk so much, your mom gets mad at you, or your gf/bf leaves you. So, you drink some more to make yourself feel better. See how it is maybe a slippery problem? It's hard to see when you've crossed from "just using it occassionally for fun" to "using it to get out of bed in the morning". The slippery slide is too slow to see it that way.

Anyway, good luck to you! Don't drink too much! Everything in moderation!

CyberRed said:

Ah, ok so are you sayin' that if, a person drinks too much of wine everyday ( more than one glass of wine ) and that will make this person a borderline alcoholic right ?

Same thing with beer, too right ?

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Unfortunlately yes.

a glass per day on each day is enough and also moderately as well.

Calphool said:

I think you can become an alcoholic no matter what type of drink you use. If it has alcohol in it,

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If more than a glass of alochol... Yes.

you can become an alcoholic if you drink it often.

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Yes

If it creates problems with your family and responsibilities, then you are an alcoholic.

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Yes, that´s right... I know what it alike because my mom is an alocholic. She become addict to alochol... She drank morning to night

Even mouthwash has alcohol, so technically a person could become an alcoholic from drinking mouthwash!!

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Yes, alcohol is in mouthwash but you don´t become alocholic when you wash your mouth with mouthwash... because you do not swallow alochol from washmouth... right?

I did binge drinking with my friends every weekend. I think that it's a very slippery road from a "party drinker" to alcoholic.

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Yes, binge drinking could lead alocholic if you drink every weekends.

Some people don't have any problems with it, but many do, and I think it starts in the teens and 20s sometimes.

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Drink alochol is part of Europe culture. I was being taught to not abuse alochol but respect... It´s bad if you abuse alochol.

Some people use alcohol because of depression, and that's also a way that people slip into alcoholism. Think about it. If you are depressed, you drink a little to feel better. Then, you get a little too drunk some time and you miss your bus to work, so you lose your job. Then, since you lost your job, you drink a little to feel better about your depression and losing your job. Then, since you are drunk so much, your mom gets mad at you, or your gf/bf leaves you. So, you drink some more to make yourself feel better. See how it is maybe a slippery problem? It's hard to see when you've crossed from "just using it occassionally for fun" to "using it to get out of bed in the morning". The slippery slide is too slow to see it that way.

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AGREED!!!! Drink alochol to calm you down (depression etc.) is not the best solution. It could lead alcoholism because you are depressed, unhappy, etc.

Anyway, good luck to you! Don't drink too much! Everything in moderation!

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Here's what Alcoholics Anonymous says:

ALCOHOLISM

Alcoholism is a rough word to deal with. Yet nobody is too young (or too old) to have trouble with booze.

That's because alcoholism is an illness. It can hit anyone. Young, old. Rich, poor. Black, white.

And it doesn't matter how long you've been drinking or what you've been drinking. It's what drinking does to you that counts.

To help you decide whether you might have a problem with your own drinking, we've prepared these 12 questions. The answers are nobody's business but your own.

If you can answer yes to any one of these questions, maybe it's time you took a serious look at what your drinking might be doing to you.

And, if you do need help or if you'd just like to talk to someone about your drinking, call us. We're in the phone book under Alcoholics Anonymous.

A Simple 12 Question Quiz designed To Help You Decide

1 Do you drink because you have problems? To relax?

2 Do you drink when you get mad at other people, your friends or parents?

3 Do you prefer to drink alone, rather than with others?

4 Are your grades starting to slip? Are you goofing off on your job?

5 Did you ever try to stop drinking or drink less — and fail?

6 Have you begun to drink in the morning, before school or work?

7 Do you gulp your drinks?

8 Do you ever have loss of memory due to your drinking?

9 Do you lie about your drinking?

10 Do you ever get into trouble when you're drinking?

11 Do you get drunk when you drink, even when you don't mean to?

12 Do you think it's cool to be able to hold your liquor?

I kind of agree with Liebling here... I usually like to have alcohol such as wine with a good meal, and sometimes an extra one whilst chatting with friends. It is done in a relaxing atmosphere and just having a good chat. Tonight I went out to eat at a restaurant and had a glass of white wine with the wonderful meal, it was so nice.

I think people misunderstand alcohol sometimes. It is meant to be enjoyed for its taste and complimenting the meals. Reba provided a wonderful list of questions, and I answered no to all of them, so I knew that it was a different thing. And yes, calphool has an excellent point, act in moderation. It doesn't just apply to drinking, but even to smoking, eating greasy food, eating sweets, drinking coffee and so on. Sometimes people do abuse with food, unfortunately.

Calphool : Hi Hi CyberRed,

No problem about your location. We'll probably get to know each other more later. My wife and I are learning ASL, and it's nice to meet new people -- both to help us learn sign faster, and also just to make new friends. We've met so many wonderful people as we've learned sign. My brother-in-law is deaf, and I have a cousin that's deaf as well. We decided to learn sign so that we could speak with my brother-in-law better. (We don't see my cousin very often, but it will be nice to be able to sign with her too.)

Off topic : Great and thanks for understandin'. Oh, you have a brother in law and cousin who are deaf ? Wow, that's amazin' ! I am glad you have them so you can learn sign language ! This will bring their faces a big SMILE ! Like this here .. -----> Well, I am the only one deaf in the family - oldest daughter in the family. But, I do have 4 grown up children ( ages from 20 to 26 ) and they all know sign language fluently. We can exchange our email addresses to get to know each other, if you are interested. Your wife is welcome also.

My wife is better at signing than me. She signs at our church every Sunday. I am slower than she is, but I tease her that I am more "articulate".

You will pick it up in no time. I started learnin' them when I was 8 years old - hidin' in the bathroom durin' class break at elementary school. I was taught thru my old pal. She had 2 deaf siblings.

I think you can become an alcoholic no matter what type of drink you use. If it has alcohol in it, you can become an alcoholic if you drink it often. If it creates problems with your family and responsibilities, then you are an alcoholic. Even mouthwash has alcohol, so technically a person could become an alcoholic from drinking mouthwash!!

I believe so when a person drinks often and it will create problems. True. It's why I asked for your opinions/point of view on this because, I was debatin' about it with one of my friends the other day. FYI, I don't drink mouthwash. Eww - that's real nasty.

When I was younger--in my early 20s, I went through a phase where I could easily see how someone could become an alcoholic. I did binge drinking with my friends every weekend. I think that it's a very slippery road from a "party drinker" to alcoholic. Some people don't have any problems with it, but many do, and I think it starts in the teens and 20s sometimes. Some people use alcohol because of depression, and that's also a way that people slip into alcoholism. Think about it. If you are depressed, you drink a little to feel better. Then, you get a little too drunk some time and you miss your bus to work, so you lose your job. Then, since you lost your job, you drink a little to feel better about your depression and losing your job. Then, since you are drunk so much, your mom gets mad at you, or your gf/bf leaves you. So, you drink some more to make yourself feel better. See how it is maybe a slippery problem? It's hard to see when you've crossed from "just using it occassionally for fun" to "using it to get out of bed in the morning". The slippery slide is too slow to see it that way.

Anyway, good luck to you! Don't drink too much! Everything in moderation!

Me drink too much ? Naw - I don't drink. I used to drink one glass of wine with supper, but not anymore. I just learned that it triggered my blood goin' up. Hypertension, if you would say. If, it carries like low percentage such as 1% alcohol to almost none, then I don't mind to drink it.

Liebling:-))) said:

Unfortunlately yes.

a glass per day on each day is enough and also moderately as well.

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Aw, that's too bad. Thanks for answerin' my questions. That's what I need to know.

Kuifje75 said:

I kind of agree with Liebling here... I usually like to have alcohol such as wine with a good meal, and sometimes an extra one whilst chatting with friends. It is done in a relaxing atmosphere and just having a good chat. Tonight I went out to eat at a restaurant and had a glass of white wine with the wonderful meal, it was so nice.


I think people misunderstand alcohol sometimes. It is meant to be enjoyed for its taste and complimenting the meals. Reba provided a wonderful list of questions, and I answered no to all of them, so I knew that it was a different thing. And yes, calphool has an excellent point, act in moderation. It doesn't just apply to drinking, but even to smoking, eating greasy food, eating sweets, drinking coffee and so on. Sometimes people do abuse with food, unfortunately.

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I agree. Very true. I also agree with Calphool and Lieblin'. Reba have some good points with all these questions, too.

Reba said:

Here's what Alcoholics Anonymous says:

ALCOHOLISM

Alcoholism is a rough word to deal with. Yet nobody is too young (or too old) to have trouble with booze.

That's because alcoholism is an illness. It can hit anyone. Young, old. Rich, poor. Black, white.

And it doesn't matter how long you've been drinking or what you've been drinking. It's what drinking does to you that counts.

To help you decide whether you might have a problem with your own drinking, we've prepared these 12 questions. The answers are nobody's business but your own.

If you can answer yes to any one of these questions, maybe it's time you took a serious look at what your drinking might be doing to you.

And, if you do need help or if you'd just like to talk to someone about your drinking, call us. We're in the phone book under Alcoholics Anonymous.

A Simple 12 Question Quiz designed To Help You Decide

1 Do you drink because you have problems? To relax?

2 Do you drink when you get mad at other people, your friends or parents?

3 Do you prefer to drink alone, rather than with others?

4 Are your grades starting to slip? Are you goofing off on your job?

5 Did you ever try to stop drinking or drink less — and fail?

6 Have you begun to drink in the morning, before school or work?

7 Do you gulp your drinks?

8 Do you ever have loss of memory due to your drinking?

9 Do you lie about your drinking?

10 Do you ever get into trouble when you're drinking?

11 Do you get drunk when you drink, even when you don't mean to?

12 Do you think it's cool to be able to hold your liquor?

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Thanks, Reba. I will show that to one of my friends who debated it with me the other day. I will print your post and have my friend to answers all these questions and see, if she agrees or disagrees. I know for sure that I was right all along in the first place when we were debatin' over this issue. There's one thing I don't like to see people changin' their moods and sometimes, it causes me confused - thinkin' that I did somethin' wrong to make them get mad or moody. Sometimes, I don't even understand their moods where it came from when they get mad or moody. It scared me sometimes when that happens and I don't want to be around them when they drink alot than just one glass of wine.

CyberRed said:

I was discussin' with one of my friends about " borderline " alocholic. I need your opinions and feedbacks on this issue.

Anyone know how many cans of beer equals to one glass of wine or let's say how many glasses of wine equals to cans of beer that will make person a borderline alocholic ? I mean, everyday - yeah.

Much appreciated !

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I don't think the type of drink determines whether or not a person becomes an alcoholic. Quantity of alcohol, frequency of drinking, attitude about alcohol, and reason for drinking are more important.

My father was an alcoholic. He preferred mixed drinks or champagne. He didn't like wine or beer. But alcohol destroyed his personal life, and eventually destroyed his liver and killed him.

But you can't always recognize an alcoholic on the outside. My dad held very important technical jobs in industry and government, he never missed a day's work, and I never saw him "drunk".

If someone needs to defend their drinking, or their family and friends suggest that someone has a drinking problem, then there probably is a problem.

Yes, alcohol is in mouthwash but you don´t become alocholic when you wash your mouth with mouthwash... because you do not swallow alochol from washmouth... right?

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Yeah, it's not very likely that someone would become an alcoholic from using it to clean their breath. They would have to be drinking it -- swallowing it in gulps. (Yuck!)

--Cal

Actually, my bf once told me that here in Utah, some Native Americans would be broke, so they go to the supermarket to buy mouthwashes to drink, which acts as an ersatz for the real alcohol. I found it hard to imagine that someone could drink mouthwash like alcohol.

mouthwash? thats gross! imagine that you are drunk and have menthol breath. cop check you and asked have you been drinking? no sir. cop said but your breath test said you are drunk.

the person said i drank mouthwash. bet cop would be dumbfounded at this.

wonder if can charged the person for being drunk on mouthwash?

Reba said:

I don't think the type of drink determines whether or not a person becomes an alcoholic. Quantity of alcohol, frequency of drinking, attitude about alcohol, and reason for drinking are more important.

My father was an alcoholic. He preferred mixed drinks or champagne. He didn't like wine or beer. But alcohol destroyed his personal life, and eventually destroyed his liver and killed him.

But you can't always recognize an alcoholic on the outside. My dad held very important technical jobs in industry and government, he never missed a day's work, and I never saw him "drunk".

If someone needs to defend their drinking, or their family and friends suggest that someone has a drinking problem, then there probably is a problem.

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I agree with this. Also some people become alcoholic with their first drink and others become one slowly like it becomes a habit. My dad was an alcoholic and gradually become worse over the years. He started with beers and moved up to stronger stuff- wine, then vodka. Then my mom got fed up and kicked him out of the house. That woke him up fast and he joined AA. He stayed sober until he passed away 7 years later from cancer. He was functional alcoholic as well--worked for state gov't as civil engineer for 35 yrs and in the "closet" drinker too. When he joined AA, alot of family friends were shocked. Just never know from looking at a person...

Kuifje75 said:

Actually, my bf once told me that here in Utah, some Native Americans would be broke, so they go to the supermarket to buy mouthwashes to drink, which acts as an ersatz for the real alcohol. I found it hard to imagine that someone could drink mouthwash like alcohol.

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Care to explain what is ersatz ? I've never heard that word " ersatz " before. I remember one deaf woman who is very heavy alcoholic - she drank a whole plastic jar of Nyquil. She drank ALL of it when she couldn't afford to buy another alcohol.