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Lawyer: Girl on phone with Trayvon Martin cuts shooter's self-defense claim - CNN.com
Sanford, Florida (CNN) -- A girl who overheard part of an incident involving Florida teenager Trayvon Martin can help prove he was killed "in cold blood" by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, an attorney for Martin's family said Tuesday.

The girl, who was dating the 17-year-old, "completely blows Zimmerman's absurd self-defense claim out of the water," lawyer Benjamin Crump told reporters.

The girl -- who he said does not wish to be identified -- "connects the dots" about what happened that day when she lays out what she overheard while on the phone with him, he said.

911 calls paint picture of chaos

Martin was fatally shot on February 26 while walking to the house of his father's fiancee in Sanford after a trip to a nearby convenience store. Zimmerman has acknowledged shooting Martin.

Speaking on the phone shortly before he was shot, Martin told the girl that someone was following him and that he was trying to get away, Crump said.

How Fla. law affects Trayvon Martin case
The girl said that, during the phone call, she heard someone ask Martin what he was doing and heard Martin ask why the person was following him, Crump said. The girl then got the impression that there was an altercation in which the earpiece fell out of Martin's ear and the connection went dead, Crump said.

Based on what she heard, the girl believes that Martin was pushed, said Crump, who added that the girl did not hear any gunfire.

Phone records show Martin was on the phone with her much of the day, including around the time of the killing, Crump said. He argued that if Martin were really "up to no good," he wouldn't have been chatting with his friend on the phone.

The girl said Martin was "his regular self," Crump said, arguing that any suggestions that the boy was "high" are "preposterous."

"It's what Zimmerman wants you to believe so he can justify killing this kid in cold blood," Crump said.

Natalie Jackson, another attorney for the Martin family, said police had not interviewed the girl.

Sanford Police Sgt. David Morgenstern said "at the onset, we asked any and all witnesses with information to come forward."

He would not say say whether the department has contacted the girl.

Morgenstern said Martin's cell phone was collected from the crime scene and investigators were working to acquire records associated with the phone's use.

The girl provided her account to Crump in a recording, which he said he will share with the Department of Justice, which is investigating.

Justice Department, FBI to investigate Florida teen's death

Crump said the Martin family does not trust Sanford police to investigate.

Federal prosecutors and the FBI will investigate the incident, which has sparked claims of racial profiling and widespread calls for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.

Rep. Corrine Brown, D-Florida, Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett and Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte met Tuesday with Justice Department officials: Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division Thomas E. Perez and Deputy Assistant Attorney General Roy L. Austin Jr.

"The gentlemen we spoke with -- they said they will not only look at what we've done, but they will also ... I think his exact comment was there will be no stone that won't be overturned," Triplett said.

A grand jury will also help investigate the death of the unarmed African-American teenager.

Outrage after Florida teen's shooting death
A police report describes Zimmerman as a white male; his family said he's a Spanish-speaking minority.

The Seminole County Grand Jury will convene April 10, State Attorney Norm Wolfinger said in a statement.

Gov. Rick Scott, who is asking the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to provide "any assistance necessary" to local investigators, insisted Tuesday he would work to ensure "justice prevails."

The governor met Tuesday in Tallahassee with criminal defense lawyers and protesters who said his office should be more involved and form a task force on racial profiling.

But Scott said any such task force shouldn't be formed until after a formal investigation. "There should not be racial profiling anywhere," he told the group.

Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi said she was "devastated and deeply troubled" over the killing. "When someone loses his life at the hands of another, there cannot be any questions surrounding the circumstances of the death," she said in a statement.

She said she had spoken with FDLE Commissioner Gerald M. Bailey, "and I know that a complete and thorough review of the facts will be conducted."

She added that while it is up to the Seminole County State Attorney's Office to decide whether to file charges, "I will remain vigilant in ensuring that questions are answered."

Police say they have not charged Zimmerman, 28, because they have no evidence to contradict his story that he shot in self-defense.

In a police report, Officer Timothy Smith says that, when he arrived at the scene of the shooting, a black male was laying face down on the ground, his hands underneath his body. "I attempted to get a response from the black male, but was met with negative results," the report says.

After speaking with Zimmerman, who had called 911, Smith observed that Zimmerman's "back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."

Smith wrote that Zimmerman stated, "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me." Martin's family insists it was Trayvon Martin who was heard yelling for help.

Three witnesses who were nearby have said it was Martin who was heard screaming for help in the 911 call placed by Zimmerman, Crump said.

Martin's father said the family believes race was a factor in their son's death, fueling public outcry over the incident in the racially mixed community 16 miles northeast of Orlando.

"I think that's an issue that Mr. Zimmerman himself considers -- as someone suspicious -- a black kid with a hoodie on, jeans, tennis shoes," Tracy Martin, the teenager's father, told CNN. "Thousands of people wear that outfit every day, so what was so suspicious about Trayvon that Zimmerman felt as though he had to confront him?"

Zimmerman's family has denied race played any role. Zimmerman has "many black family members and friends. He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever," his father, Robert Zimmerman, said in a statement to the Orlando Sentinel.

The case was one of the most-discussed topics Tuesday morning on Twitter, much of it dedicated to an online petition posted by Trayvon's parents calling on Florida authorities to charge Zimmerman.

As of Tuesday evening, more than 638,000 people had signed the petition at Change.org, making it one of the site's largest petition campaigns ever, spokeswoman Megan Lubin said. More than 10,000 people an hour were signing the petition early Tuesday.

Demonstrators who have turned out in recent days to protest police handling of the case have mocked Zimmerman's claim, carrying bags of Skittles like the one Trayvon had bought shortly before his death.

CNN has made numerous attempts to contact Zimmerman but has been unsuccessful.

Zimmerman has moved out of his home after receiving death threats, his father said.

Shooting renews debate over 'stand your ground' laws

Florida's deadly force law, also called "stand your ground," allows people to meet "force with force" if they believe they or someone else is in danger of being seriously harmed by an assailant, but exactly what happened in the moments leading up to Trayvon's death remains unclear.

In his statement last week, Zimmerman's father said his son never followed or confronted Trayvon. But on Monday, police released 911 recordings in which Zimmerman says he is, in fact, following the boy.

"Something's wrong with him. Yep. He's coming to check me out," Zimmerman tells a police dispatcher. "He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is. Send officers over here."

The teen started to run, Zimmerman reported. When he said he was following, the dispatcher told him, "We don't need you to do that."

Minutes later, someone who lives near the scene of the shooting called 911 to report an altercation. In the background, someone can be heard screaming for help, but the caller said she was too afraid to go outside and see what was going on.

"It's heart-wrenching, because those actually were my son's last words," said Trayvon's father. "And to hear his last words being cries of help, is devastating. It tears me apart as a father."

The state attorney's office also said a voice analysis would be conducted on 911 calls from the night of the shooting to determine who was yelling for help.

Opinion: My son could be Trayvon

Florida Rep. Dennis Baxley, who was the prime House sponsor of the deadly force legislation, told CNN Tuesday that "nothing in 'stand your ground' authorizes (you) to pursue and confront."

White House spokesman Jay Carney said Monday that the FBI was monitoring the case but that the White House was not going to "wade into a local law enforcement matter."

The Congressional Black Caucus, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus and the Congressional Progressive Caucus have also called for a federal investigation, with the Black Caucus saying Sanford police showed "blatant disregard for justice."
 
I'm in direct support of criminal prosecution of this foolish vigilante who did it in the name of "Neighborhood Watch". there's clearly NOTHING legal in his self-defense claim. This is a pure cold-blood murder and I believe Seminole County police department should be investigated for possible cover-up or willful ignorance.
 
I'm in direct support of criminal prosecution of this foolish vigilante who did it in the name of "Neighborhood Watch". there's clearly NOTHING legal in his self-defense claim. This is a pure cold-blood murder and I believe Seminole County police department should be investigated for possible cover-up or willful ignorance.

agreed

this case is being used for various public outcry like: repeal the Stand Your Ground Law and racial stereotyping.

stand your ground; I do not this this case should be used to try to repeal it. what zimmerman did was cold blooded murder. he saw a racial stereotype, pursued, initiated contact, provoked an altercation. trying to justify these actions with the stand your ground law is ludicrous.

here is a point that I may get flak for, and is not about this victim,Trayvon Martin , it is about the stereotype in general...

it is like many people are trying to be a gansta or thug. if you do not want to be even thought of as one, do not appear as one. pull up your fucking pants, act like a human being and not pretending to be a piece of shit thug. there is nothing cool about a pimp or a drug dealing murderous gangbanger. ending up dead or in jail, those are not productive goals. if you want to look and portray yourself as a gangsta thug, you will be viewed as one, so think twice. if you do,don't go crying foul when you get stereotyped.
 
I don't think the law is the problem as the law does not authorize people to pursue, confront and use deadly force.

The real problem with this case, IMO, is the fact that the guy was part of a neighborhood watch which is supposed to work with the police. And, in this case, the guy was working with police. The real question is whether someone in that capacity has any legal protection.

IMO, this is a case were the guy thought he could handle a kid, but quickly found out he couldn't and panicked. It's simply an accident which escalated to a point of no return, a tragedy. He picked the wrong kid.

The law should always favor the law abiding citizen. In this case, there were two law abiding citizens so the law does not apply, IMO. This is a case were both people are innocent and guilty, both the kid and the guy overreacted.

Bottom line: The kid already paid for it and now the guy is going to have to pay for it too.
 
I don't think the law is the problem as the law does not authorize people to pursue, confront and use deadly force.

The real problem with this case, IMO, is the fact that the guy was part of a neighborhood watch which is supposed to work with the police. And, in this case, the guy was working with police. The real question is whether someone in that capacity has any legal protection.

IMO, this is a case were the guy thought he could handle a kid, but quickly found out he couldn't and panicked. It's simply an accident which escalated to a point of no return, a tragedy. He picked the wrong kid.

The law should always favor the law abiding citizen. In this case, there were two law abiding citizens so the law does not apply, IMO. This is a case were both people are innocent and guilty, both the kid and the guy overreacted.

Bottom line: The kid already paid for it and now the guy is going to have to pay for it too.

You got a couple of facts wrong in there.
 
Enlighten me.

as you wish.

I don't think the law is the problem as the law does not authorize people to pursue, confront and use deadly force.
correct. he should not have ran after him.

The real problem with this case, IMO, is the fact that the guy was part of a neighborhood watch which is supposed to work with the police. And, in this case, the guy was working with police. The real question is whether someone in that capacity has any legal protection.
no that is not the real question in here.

but to answer your question, the answer is no. no private citizen has same or similar legal protection that police officer does. this guy is not a sworn officer of the law nor do have the power of authority to arrest people.

so the real question is - why did he shoot him when the teen was crying and had already surrendered? but of course.... the biggest million-dollar legal question in here is whether or not if he felt reasonably threatened enough to justify it as self-defense.

the public, media and victim's family need to STFU and stop flaming it as racial profiling/hate crime.

IMO, this is a case were the guy thought he could handle a kid, but quickly found out he couldn't and panicked. It's simply an accident which escalated to a point of no return, a tragedy. He picked the wrong kid.
you don't know that. you surely do have a habit of making a lot of assumptions.

The law should always favor the law abiding citizen. In this case, there were two law abiding citizens so the law does not apply, IMO. This is a case were both people are innocent and guilty, both the kid and the guy overreacted.
what? that absolutely makes no sense at all. are you confused?

this is the case of vigilantism and paranoia. this guy thinks he's Charles Bronson and police officer. He should be charged with manslaughter. all he had to do is listen to 911 dispatcher - "you don't have to do that" and he has served his duty as neighborhood watch. what a damn shame he is.
 
but to answer your question, the answer is no. no private citizen has same or similar legal protection that police officer does. this guy is not a sworn officer of the law nor do have the power of authority to arrest people.

Wrong. A private citizen can make a citizens arrest and some states have clear wording on this explicitly. And, if a police officer tells you to stop someone you are basically an agent(not arguing it happened in this case). This would be a question for the courts. Furthermore, some states have Good Samaritan laws which absolve private citizens from fault.

so the real question is - why did he shoot him when the teen was crying and had already surrendered? but of course.... the biggest million-dollar legal question in here is whether or not if he felt reasonably threatened enough to justify it as self-defense.

If you read the police report, you would know that Zimmerman was bleeding from the head and his back was wet with grass on it. Clearly, he was on the bottom(if you take that statement to be true). The kid, if he was crying at all, was crying after he was shot.

the public, media and victim's family need to STFU and stop flaming it as racial profiling/hate crime.

Argumentative: If you live in an all white neighborhood, someone of a different racial background is going to look suspicious. There is no way you can not use racial profiling in this case. Is it right, no, but they are correct that his racial background as well as stereotypes played a role.

you don't know that. you surely do have a habit of making a lot of assumptions.

You're stating the obvious. If you read my post, almost everything I stated was qualified with, "IMO". The acronym stands for, "In my opinion". I don't know how much plainer I can state that it was my opinion.

this is the case of vigilantism and paranoia. this guy thinks he's Charles Bronson and police officer. He should be charged with manslaughter. all he had to do is listen to 911 dispatcher - "you don't have to do that" and he has served his duty as neighborhood watch. what a damn shame he is.

I don't disagree as I don't see how you can define, "neighborhood watch" as anything but vigilantism. And, I stated, "he will have to pay too".
 
Great post. You could not have been more clear. Your IMO carries a lot of respect and is as good as anyone else's, unfortunate that some don't respect it.
 
the public, media and victim's family need to STFU and stop flaming it as racial profiling/hate crime.

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You don't perceive this to be a hate crime? The fact that man called the victim a "coon" is telling.
 
You don't perceive this to be a hate crime? The fact that man called the victim a "coon" is telling.

in hate crime, one has to have a known racial hatred. does he? is he known to hate black people?

just because a person unconsciously yelled out "you f'ing n-----!" in a moment of anger doesn't really make him racist.
 
Wrong. A private citizen can make a citizens arrest and some states have clear wording on this explicitly.
"citizen arrest" is extremely tricky and you can get arrested if nothing happened. even if you made an honest mistake because you thought he stole something, you can and will be charged with various things such as false imprisonment, aggravated assault with deadly weapon (because Zimmerman had a gun), intimidation and pointing a firearm in public, and few other things... and also get sued for injury and whatnot.

that's why it's rare to hear news relating to citizen's arrest and it's even much much rarer to hear an armed citizen performing citizen arrest. in fact - I've never heard of armed citizen performing citizen arrest. what do you think why 911 dispatcher said "you do not have to do that"? do you realize that legal repercussion is far too great if you're an ARMED private citizen? The difference between police officer and armed private citizen doing a neighborhood watch duty is that in case of mistaken arrest, you will be arrested, charged, and treated like a felon who just robbed a bank with gun.... and police officer doesn't get criminally charged if he made a mistake. That's the difference.

And, if a police officer tells you to stop someone you are basically an agent(not arguing it happened in this case). This would be a question for the courts. Furthermore, some states have Good Samaritan laws which absolve private citizens from fault.
ALL states have Good Samaritan Laws and do you know what is it for? legally protecting you for providing medical aid to injured, not chasing and arresting a person or anything in such kind.

and police officer cannot and would not tell a private citizen to do a police job for him. it's a serious and huge liability risk for both police department and citizen.

If you read the police report, you would know that Zimmerman was bleeding from the head and his back was wet with grass on it. Clearly, he was on the bottom(if you take that statement to be true). The kid, if he was crying at all, was crying after he was shot.
oh boy... you surely got your facts all wrong.

here's a correct fact -
"The time that we heard the whining and then the gunshot, we did not hear any wrestling, no punching, no fighting, nothing to make it sound like there was a fight," said Mary Cutcher, one of the callers.

Cutcher said Zimmerman was confused after the shooting.

"He'd pace and go back to the body and just like -- I don't know if he was kind of, 'Oh, my God, what did I do? What happened?'" she said.

Another caller, Selma Mora Lamilla, said she did not hear any altercation, but the teen cried and "whimpered" before the shooting.

She described Zimmerman as "straddling" the teen after the shooting, saying he was "on his knees on top of a body."

based on what I read - it looks like Zimmerman slipped and hit his head thus accidentally shooting him.

perhaps you should read the timeline of events before you speak more. you are very confused. - http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/trayvon-martin-case-timeline-of-events/

Argumentative: If you live in an all white neighborhood, someone of a different racial background is going to look suspicious. There is no way you can not use racial profiling in this case. Is it right, no, but they are correct that his racial background as well as stereotypes played a role.
it still doesn't qualify enough for hate crime. again - in order to make it a hate crime, one has to have a racial hostility/animus. Just uttering a racist word in the moment of violence does not meet legal standard of hate crime.

we all have said racial epithet unconsciously in a moment of anger but does that make us racist?

You're stating the obvious. If you read my post, almost everything I stated was qualified with, "IMO". The acronym stands for, "In my opinion". I don't know how much plainer I can state that it was my opinion.
I wouldn't use "IMO" too much if I don't know enough to make a statement or assumption. IMO is a pure laziness and reckless too. best to speak with facts at hand.

I don't disagree as I don't see how you can define, "neighborhood watch" as anything but vigilantism. And, I stated, "he will have to pay too".
Neighborhood Watch - your job is to watch out and call cop, not act like Charles Bronson or cop. This guy wasn't doing a Neighborhood Watch duty... he's a paranoid dumbass who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun to begin with.
 
in hate crime, one has to have a known racial hatred. does he? is he known to hate black people?

just because a person unconsciously yelled out "you f'ing n-----!" in a moment of anger doesn't really make him racist.

You're joking right? A person who views everyone as equal is not going to yell out "f-ing ni***r, even in a moment of anger.
 
Jiro, I can't quote you right now because I'm on my phone, but I disagree with your blanket statement that, "we have all said a racial epithet in anger." That is not accurate.
 
"Defining a Hate Crime

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a "criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation." Hate
itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."

FBI — Overview
 
Jiro, I can't quote you right now because I'm on my phone, but I disagree with your blanket statement that, "we have all said a racial epithet in anger." That is not accurate.

you're such a doll then :aw:
 
"Defining a Hate Crime

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, Congress has defined a hate crime as a "criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation." Hate
itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."

FBI — Overview
that's fine. since we both disagree... I guess we'll just wait and see how this plays out. I'm not always right.
 
You're joking right? A person who views everyone as equal is not going to yell out "f-ing ni***r, even in a moment of anger.

yes. this is already a well-studied social and psychological phenomenon. our mind is truly a mysterious thing.

simply put - if you want to see a person's true nature with all inhibitions removed... you can simply get him drunk or put him under influence of some substance.

Our intolerance toward diversity is blocked and contained by our morals and such with conscious effort. That's why it's kept buried in our subconscious mind. Once you remove it and let our subconscious mind comes to surface... well it gets ugly.
 
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