This is for the Vegans.. GM Soybeans found to cause some problems in hamsters

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Jeffrey Smith: Genetically Modified Soy Linked to Sterility, Infant Mortality in Hamsters

Genetically Modified Soy Linked to Sterility, Infant Mortality in Hamsters
"This study was just routine," said Russian biologist Alexey V. Surov, in what could end up as the understatement of this century. Surov and his colleagues set out to discover if Monsanto's genetically modified (GM) soy, grown on 91% of US soybean fields, leads to problems in growth or reproduction. What he discovered may uproot a multi-billion dollar industry.

After feeding hamsters for two years over three generations, those on the GM diet, and especially the group on the maximum GM soy diet, showed devastating results. By the third generation, most GM soy-fed hamsters lost the ability to have babies. They also suffered slower growth, and a high mortality rate among the pups.

And if this isn't shocking enough, some in the third generation even had hair growing inside their mouths—a phenomenon rarely seen, but apparently more prevalent among hamsters eating GM soy.

The study, jointly conducted by Surov's Institute of Ecology and Evolution of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the National Association for Gene Security, is expected to be published in three months (July 2010)—so the technical details will have to wait. But Surov sketched out the basic set up for me in an email.

He used Campbell hamsters, with a fast reproduction rate, divided into 4 groups. All were fed a normal diet, but one was without any soy, another had non-GM soy, a third used GM soy, and a fourth contained higher amounts of GM soy. They used 5 pairs of hamsters per group, each of which produced 7-8 litters, totally 140 animals.

Surov told The Voice of Russia,
Surov said:
"Originally, everything went smoothly. However, we noticed quite a serious effect when we selected new pairs from their cubs and continued to feed them as before. These pairs' growth rate was slower and reached their sexual maturity slowly."

He selected new pairs from each group, which generated another 39 litters. There were 52 pups born to the control group and 78 to the non-GM soy group. In the GM soy group, however, only 40 pups were born. And of these, 25% died. This was a fivefold higher death rate than the 5% seen among the controls. Of the hamsters that ate high GM soy content, only a single female hamster gave birth. She had 16 pups; about 20% died.

Surov said "The low numbers in F2 [third generation] showed that many animals were sterile."

The published paper will also include measurements of organ size for the third generation animals, including testes, spleen, uterus, etc. And if the team can raise sufficient funds, they will also analyze hormone levels in collected blood samples.

Hair Growing in the Mouth

Earlier this year, Surov co-authored a paper in Doklady Biological Sciences showing that in rare instances, hair grows inside recessed pouches in the mouths of hamsters.

"Some of these pouches contained single hairs; others, thick bundles of colorless or pigmented hairs reaching as high as the chewing surface of the teeth. Sometimes, the tooth row was surrounded with a regular brush of hair bundles on both sides. The hairs grew vertically and had sharp ends, often covered with lumps of a mucous."

(The photos of these hair bundles are truly disgusting. Trust me, or look for yourself.) Click here to see photos of that: ShowArticle - Institute for Responsible Technology

At the conclusion of the study, the authors surmise that such an astounding defect may be due to the diet of hamsters raised in the laboratory. They write, "This pathology may be exacerbated by elements of the food that are absent in natural food, such as genetically modified (GM) ingredients (GM soybean or maize meal) or contaminants (pesticides, mycotoxins, heavy metals, etc.)." Indeed, the number of hairy mouthed hamsters was much higher among the third generation of GM soy fed animals than anywhere Surov had seen before.
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Part 2, problems in detail if you want to read the technicals behind it. It is at the site as well.

Preliminary, but Ominous

Surov warns against jumping to early conclusions. He said, "It is quite possible that the GMO does not cause these effects by itself." Surov wants to make the analysis of the feed components a priority, to discover just what is causing the effect and how.

In addition to the GMOs, it could be contaminants, he said, or higher herbicide residues, such as Roundup. There is in fact much higher levels of Roundup on these beans; they're called "Roundup Ready." Bacterial genes are forced into their DNA so that the plants can tolerate Monsanto's Roundup herbicide. Therefore, GM soy always carries the double threat of higher herbicide content, couple with any side effects of genetic engineering.

Years of Reproductive Disorders from GMO-Feed

Surov's hamsters are just the latest animals to suffer from reproductive disorders after consuming GMOs. In 2005, Irina Ermakova, also with the Russian National Academy of Sciences, reported that more than half the babies from mother rats fed GM soy died within three weeks. This was also five times higher than the 10% death rate of the non-GMO soy group. The babies in the GM group were also smaller (see photo) and could not reproduce.

In a telling coincidence, after Ermakova's feeding trials, her laboratory started feeding all the rats in the facility a commercial rat chow using GM soy. Within two months, the infant mortality facility-wide reached 55%.

When Ermakova fed male rats GM soy, their testicles changed from the normal pink to dark blue! Italian scientists similarly found changes in mice testes (PDF), including damaged young sperm cells. Furthermore, the DNA of embryos from parent mice fed GM soy functioned differently.

An Austrian government study published in November 2008 showed that the more GM corn was fed to mice, the fewer the babies they had (PDF), and the smaller the babies were.

Central Iowa Farmer Jerry Rosman also had trouble with pigs and cows becoming sterile. Some of his pigs even had false pregnancies or gave birth to bags of water. After months of investigations and testing, he finally traced the problem to GM corn feed. Every time a newspaper, magazine, or TV show reported Jerry's problems, he would receive calls from more farmers complaining of livestock sterility on their farm, linked to GM corn.

Researchers at Baylor College of Medicine accidentally discovered that rats raised on corncob bedding "neither breed nor exhibit reproductive behavior." Tests on the corn material revealed two compounds that stopped the sexual cycle in females "at concentrations approximately two-hundredfold lower than classical phytoestrogens." One compound also curtailed male sexual behavior and both substances contributed to the growth of breast and prostate cancer cell cultures. Researchers found that the amount of the substances varied with GM corn varieties. The crushed corncob used at Baylor was likely shipped from central Iowa, near the farm of Jerry Rosman and others complaining of sterile livestock.

In Haryana, India, a team of investigating veterinarians report that buffalo consuming GM cottonseed suffer from infertility, as well as frequent abortions, premature deliveries, and prolapsed uteruses. Many adult and young buffalo have also died mysteriously.

Denial, Attack and Canceled Follow-up

Scientists who discover adverse findings from GMOs are regularly attacked, ridiculed, denied funding, and even fired. When Ermakova reported the high infant mortality among GM soy fed offspring, for example, she appealed to the scientific community to repeat and verify her preliminary results. She also sought additional funds to analyze preserved organs. Instead, she was attacked and vilified. Samples were stolen from her lab, papers were burnt on her desk, and she said that her boss, under pressure from his boss, told her to stop doing any more GMO research. No one has yet repeated Ermakova's simple, inexpensive studies.

In an attempt to offer her sympathy, one of her colleagues suggested that maybe the GM soy will solve the over population problem!

Surov reports that so far, he has not been under any pressure.

Opting Out of the Massive GMO Feeding Experiment

Without detailed tests, no one can pinpoint exactly what is causing the reproductive travesties in Russian hamsters and rats, Italian and Austrian mice, and livestock in India and America. And we can only speculate about the relationship between the introduction of genetically modified foods in 1996, and the corresponding upsurge in low birth weight babies, infertility, and other problems among the US population. But many scientists, physicians, and concerned citizens don't think that the public should remain the lab animals for the biotech industry's massive uncontrolled experiment.

Alexey Surov says, "We have no right to use GMOs until we understand the possible adverse effects, not only to ourselves but to future generations as well. We definitely need fully detailed studies to clarify this. Any type of contamination has to be tested before we consume it, and GMO is just one of them."
 
So as a summary, it's critical for vegans (I know we have some around here) to pay attention to this if the problems presented are a health concern for them.

It's only the GM produces though, as far as I know the research doesn't indicate issues with non-GM grown.
 
Well, only different that people who become vegans at later age. In early ages, they been feed regular like almost everybody does. That affect their body, all right.

Naturally, I would know that if vegan parents feed their baby as 100% vegan, that can kill baby pretty much, without doctor recommends.
 
Well, GMO food is fine with me as long as they're proven to be safe.

Corn, as we know now, is a GMO food.. it did not exist in nature until Indians genetically farmed it to become bigger and fatter.

Same with wheat - it didn't exist in nature, it was humans that farmed and genetically altered the grasses to grow bigger brans. Rice is another example - it got bigger and fatter as a result of cultivation. Wild rice is much thinner and darker with nutty flavor.

A lot of popular vegetables did not exist in the wild but were created as a result of genetic farming. Like iceberg lettuce - it was not found in the wild but created by farming. It came from wild lettuce which is strong flavored and believed to cause sedation.

Can GMO food cause side effects? I am sure it can but virtually all foods can cause side effects. Too much soy is linked to certain hormone problems and too much fiber is linked to excessive gas and too much red meat is linked to cancers and heart disease. Too much fish is linked to higher risk of strokes. Too much spinach is linked to potentially fatal poisoning. Too much of anything is never good.

It's eating a variety of foods that matter the most and provides the best health benefits.

It's important not to take the rat study seriously. Rats and humans are totally different and they metabolize very different. Tiny amount of caffeine would kill rats easily while we can consume more caffeine without getting killed. Give ducks bread and many will die in two years. We don't observe the same in humans. Give grapes or cocoa to dogs and they may die of stomach ailments. We don't have that problem. Different species metabolize foods differently. In fact, things that are toxic to us may not be toxic to other animals. For example, ducks will eat herbs without ill effects while those same herbs may kill us.

So, use common sense - eat a variety of foods, not dine on repeated same foods.
 
I was a vegan for 4 years and ate soy product and I have daughter and she is fine ! I raise her a Vegan too and she was really healthly ! She did not miss one day of school in 2 years and she did not need any fillings for years.
But once she started getting candy from her friends she did need filling! I made all her baby food and she had no health issues! I also gave my daughter soy products when was a baby! She got no junk food!
 
Well, only different that people who become vegans at later age. In early ages, they been feed regular like almost everybody does. That affect their body, all right.

Naturally, I would know that if vegan parents feed their baby as 100% vegan, that can kill baby pretty much, without doctor recommends.

My baby is alive and is a very healthly woman ! I did not kill her !
 
Well, only different that people who become vegans at later age. In early ages, they been feed regular like almost everybody does. That affect their body, all right.

Naturally, I would know that if vegan parents feed their baby as 100% vegan, that can kill baby pretty much, without doctor recommends.

Good thoughts Sam, I agree with em.

I was a vegan for 4 years and ate soy product and I have daughter and she is fine ! I raise her a Vegan too and she was really healthly ! She did not miss one day of school in 2 years and she did not need any fillings for years.
But once she started getting candy from her friends she did need filling! I made all her baby food and she had no health issues! I also gave my daughter soy products when was a baby! She got no junk food!

This is preliminary. And only relates to GM soy products.

It's not a one size-fit all with the other soy stuff out there.
 
whatdidyousay, you said "was". so you are no longer a vegan now. How come?
 
The pediatrician for my kids said from birth, that a vegan diet was safe for them. We followed it with the doctor checking regularly to make sure kids were fine. Both kids dropped being vegan after they were 4 & 5. Now,at 15, my son is thinking about it again. I followed the vegan plan off and on and may be returning to it soon.
 
Why vegan? Why not feed them eggs and breast milk? Even cow milk? Cows don't care if you get milk from them. They make unlimited amount of milk as long as they are stroked.

Most eggs are not fertilized; birds (hens, ducks, etc) lay eggs even if they're not fertilized. What happens to them? The eggs rot. Totally a waste of perfectly edible food rich in many nutrients. If you feed birds with flaxseed, they produce eggs with more omega-3 which improves brain function.

There's no cruelty in it whatsoever.
 
Veganism got nothing to do with dietary reasons or animal cruelty, but anti-exploitation or anti-capitalism. They believe animals should not be under the economic control of humans. Of course, some are more flexible and allow pets to be owned.

Of course, other vegans are in it for religious reasons as well. For instance... Jainism.
 
Veganism got nothing to do with dietary reasons or animal cruelty, but anti-exploitation or anti-capitalism. They believe animals should not be under the economic control of humans. Of course, some are more flexible and allow pets to be owned.

Of course, other vegans are in it for religious reasons as well. For instance... Jainism.

I was a vegan for two years and realized that it's a stupid philosophy. It's based on distorted science and misunderstanding.

Just because you don't like capitalism does not mean you have to be a vegan. Just because animals were exploited didn't mean you can't eat meat.

Vegan is primiarly motivated by belief in animal rights which is based on poor misunderstanding of nature.

Vegan diet is NOT an optimal diet - we need some animal products in our diet but not much. B12 deficiency can occur unless you take supplements.

A lot of vegans aren't healthy because they were not interested in nutrition but rather they believe that animals have the right to live.
 
Why vegan? Why not feed them eggs and breast milk? Even cow milk? Cows don't care if you get milk from them. They make unlimited amount of milk as long as they are stroked.

Most eggs are not fertilized; birds (hens, ducks, etc) lay eggs even if they're not fertilized. What happens to them? The eggs rot. Totally a waste of perfectly edible food rich in many nutrients. If you feed birds with flaxseed, they produce eggs with more omega-3 which improves brain function.

There's no cruelty in it whatsoever.

I did vegan purely because I was sick of the taste of meat, and hubby wanted to straighten out some of his medical issues and the doctors suggested vegan.

I do know that on the vegan diet, my uncle has not had a lot of his medical issues from having open heart surgery 8 times before the age of 5. He has life-long medical problems and a vegan diet relieves a lot of the problems and lets him go without some of his meds. He check with his doctor weekly to make sure everything if doing fine.

For my husband, it was hard to give up meat, but it did help with his problems. Now, we may go back to vegan, since he is experiencing heart problems unrelated to before.

For us, it was never about the "cruelty" to animals, it was always health related.
 
whatdidyousay, you said "was". so you are no longer a vegan now. How come?

My dr. said I needed more protein .I was a vegan for 23 years . I became one around 1967 and I had a real hard eating out! I would ask for a blt sandwhich and tell them to leave the 'B" out! As there was nothing else on the menu! But the person making the sandwhich could NOT understand why I would not want the 'B" and try to put it in!
I do not eat beef only chicken and fish and I do not feel good about it! I know I should go back to being a vegan. Are you one?
 
Why vegan? Why not feed them eggs and breast milk? Even cow milk? Cows don't care if you get milk from them. They make unlimited amount of milk as long as they are stroked.

Most eggs are not fertilized; birds (hens, ducks, etc) lay eggs even if they're not fertilized. What happens to them? The eggs rot. Totally a waste of perfectly edible food rich in many nutrients. If you feed birds with flaxseed, they produce eggs with more omega-3 which improves brain function.

There's no cruelty in it whatsoever.

I agree with Netrox.

Just to clarify. I wouldn't give cows milk to an infant. Due to the high content of protein, their tummy is not able to break it down, causing kidney strain when they have to filter out the extra protein. Breast Milk is the best option until they reach an age they can handle it.


There are several types of Vegans:

Semi-Vegetarian -includes dairy products, eggs, chicken and fish. No red meats.

Pesco-Vegetarian- Includes dairy products, eggs, and fish. No Beef, pork, or poultry

Lacto-Ovo- Vegetarian- Includes Dairy and Eggs. Avoids all animal flesh.

Lacto- Vegetarian- Includes Dairy Products. Avoids Eggs, and all animal flesh.

Ovo- Vegetarian- Includes eggs. Avoids Dairy and all animal flesh.

Vegan- Includes nothing. Avoids Dairy, eggs, all animal flesh.

Fruitarian- Includes nothing. Avoids all foods BUT raw fruits, nuts, and green foliage.


Soybeans are high in protein, and is the leading ingredient in tofu.

The reason that some doctors are against Vegetarian diets for babies and infants is because of the lack of zinc, calcium, Vit. D, riboflavin, and Vit. B 12, which are all in animal foods. Did you know that without some animal foods, providing good fats to children, you hinder their development? They wont grow, instead of fat to burn for fuel, the body goes right to protein, which is all of the body. Muscle, organ, cells, and so on. The brain is 60% fat too.

Large intake of Phytates ( found in whole grains, bran, and soy products), oxalates (found in spinach, rhubarb, and chocolate) and Tannins (found in tea) is not healthy for the body, since these are compounds that can bind minerals that are essential, and prevent absorption in the body.

Vegetarian diets are good in some ways because of no cholesterol, why add to the body when it already makes it on it's own. Health benefits on vegetarian diets are higher than in diets with lots of meat, but it also has it's cons too.

Its all in the matter of balancing all foods to provide necessary nutrients that is needed. Especially in children during rapid growth periods.
 
That's nice to know that soy creates problems in hamsters. I'm human, so where's the connection? A human body and a hamster body are vastly different.
 
I agree with Netrox.

Just to clarify. I wouldn't give cows milk to an infant. Due to the high content of protein, their tummy is not able to break it down, causing kidney strain when they have to filter out the extra protein. Breast Milk is the best option until they reach an age they can handle it.


There are several types of Vegans:

Semi-Vegetarian -includes dairy products, eggs, chicken and fish. No red meats.

Pesco-Vegetarian- Includes dairy products, eggs, and fish. No Beef, pork, or poultry

Lacto-Ovo- Vegetarian- Includes Dairy and Eggs. Avoids all animal flesh.

Lacto- Vegetarian- Includes Dairy Products. Avoids Eggs, and all animal flesh.

Ovo- Vegetarian- Includes eggs. Avoids Dairy and all animal flesh.

Vegan- Includes nothing. Avoids Dairy, eggs, all animal flesh.

Fruitarian- Includes nothing. Avoids all foods BUT raw fruits, nuts, and green foliage.


Soybeans are high in protein, and is the leading ingredient in tofu.

The reason that some doctors are against Vegetarian diets for babies and infants is because of the lack of zinc, calcium, Vit. D, riboflavin, and Vit. B 12, which are all in animal foods. Did you know that without some animal foods, providing good fats to children, you hinder their development? They wont grow, instead of fat to burn for fuel, the body goes right to protein, which is all of the body. Muscle, organ, cells, and so on. The brain is 60% fat too.

Large intake of Phytates ( found in whole grains, bran, and soy products), oxalates (found in spinach, rhubarb, and chocolate) and Tannins (found in tea) is not healthy for the body, since these are compounds that can bind minerals that are essential, and prevent absorption in the body.

Vegetarian diets are good in some ways because of no cholesterol, why add to the body when it already makes it on it's own. Health benefits on vegetarian diets are higher than in diets with lots of meat, but it also has it's cons too.

Its all in the matter of balancing all foods to provide necessary nutrients that is needed. Especially in children during rapid growth periods.

If someone eat chicken and fish they're not Semi-Vegetarian, you can't be half Vegetarian! I do not call myself a Semi-Vegetarian and I not eat beef or pork ! That like saying you're half pregnant! When I was Vegetarian I did not not eat any meat or fish. And I did not wear leather . I had a had time buying things not made of leather ! I went to a store and told a sale lady I wanted gloves , and said "I did not want any leather ones!" She came back with leather gloves , and I said again " I did not want leather gloves !" and the sale lady said " But there are lined with rabbit fur!" I was so upset, the stupid woman was trying to sell me leather gloves with rabbit fur when I told her I did not want leather gloves! People really did not get this in the 60's! I was really into be a Vegetarian!
 
I was vegan for a number of years. I think for some people it works and others don't do well with it for a number of reasons. I do not believe everyone the world over "should be" vegan and I think there have been and are traditional peoples whose culture specifically includes animal-based products.
I do avoid GM products overall though, and also avoid highly refined soy such as found in most processed soy "meat substitutes".
 
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