New security rules for driver's licenses

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New security rules for driver's licenses - Yahoo! News


WASHINGTON - Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.

The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials.

Even with more time, more federal help and technical advances, REAL ID still faces stiff opposition from civil liberties groups.

To address some of those concerns, the government now plans to phase in a secure ID initiative that Congress passed into law in 2005. Now, DHS plans a key deadline in 2011, and then further measures to be enacted three years later, according to congressional staffers who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because an announcement had not yet been made. DHS officials briefed legislative aides on the details late Thursday.

Without discussing details, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff promoted the final rules for REAL ID during a meeting Thursday with an advisory council.

"We worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results," he said. "This is a win-win. As long as people use driver's licenses to identify themselves for whatever reason there's no reason for those licenses to be easily counterfeited or tampered with."

In order to make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, according to Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

The American Civil Liberties Union has fiercely objected to the effort, particularly the sharing of personal data among government agencies. The DHS and other officials say the only way to make sure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics like the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.

In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life."

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes.

The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had a total of four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states. The DHS, which was created in response to the attacks, has created a slogan for REAL ID: "One driver, one license."

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant driver's license, with the notable exception of those more than 50 years old, Homeland Security officials said.

The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that should someone be rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked in the future if that person attempted to con the system again.

The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants.

Most states currently check Social Security numbers and about half check immigration status. Some, like New York, Virginia, North Carolina and California, already have implemented many of the security measures envisioned in REAL ID. In California, for example, officials expect the only major change to adopt the first phase would be to take the photograph at the beginning of the application process instead of the end.

After the Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks, including state DMV offices checking with the State Department to verify those applicants who use passports to get a driver's license, verifying birth certificates and checking with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license.

A handful of states have already signed written agreements indicating plans to comply with REAL ID. Seventeen others, though, have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to it, often based on concerns about the billions of dollars such extra security is expected to cost.
 
Bah. Yet again, another attempt by the government to "keep tabs" on people.

People deserve the right to a quiet life without government intrusion- people should not be assumed guilty, which is essentially what this near-mandatory system of identification would amount to.
 
Because of umm... war?

Since 9/11, everything goes too over-protected and too strict... *sighs*...
 
Oh boy that'd probably means not everyone would be able to travel and they'd snoop on your life and they'd know what your doing and routine is. Not a good news for Americans :(


Government is already taking control of people's life and what they should do or what they should not do. We got bugged, we got tracked, we got spied on.. you name it. It's going to be tougher and tougher in the future to come for everyone with their power and control.
 
I agree. However it seems like nothing is going to give it's leeway now these days and yeah, thanks to the 'paranoid' mania that has struck it's own oil. :roll:
 
I can't wait til Bush to be out of office in Jan 2009. :roll:

I don't think it would prevent from terrorist, even some terrorists can be smart enough to obtain fake REAL ID or obtain at first before commit into terror in this country.

If terrorist is continue to be happen after REAL ID then this law is no good, I hate to see when some people are snoop my life, none of their damn business.
 
The object of a terrorist is to cause fear. Once their target is afraid the terrorist need do nothing except sit back and laugh at the coward -- Watch the coward grovel in fear -- They know they've won.

One of the worst things about cowards is they will attack anyone who is not as afraid as they are. They would rather tear apart their friends who are not afraid than face the enemy they fear.
 
"the object of a terrorist is to cause fear"

THANK YOU.

Terrorism wasn't- and never will be the people who suffered in the 9/11 attacks. While I fully agree that was a horrible act and my heart goes out to every person harmed and their family, I don't believe the act in itself had the capacity to create the sort of fear that is becoming commonplace in american society.

The act in itself could have been taken as a terrible act- and measures implemented to prevent it from happening ever again. Yet, because of the media and the government's push- this killer of a few thousand people has become a common household term- people are terrified of big scary muslims from other countries- yet they're not scared of more realistic risks.

What about the things that kill thousands of americans every DAY? What about those who die of lung cancer? You don't see people fleeing the street in fear when someone lights a smoke- yet that is a much more realistic threat to your life than some scary guy far far away you saw on CNN.

Terrorism doesn't and wouldn't work if the target refuses to react with fear- yet we have created ourselves an environment where we are terrified of this looming threat, and we allow it to continue. As a society, we made terrorism effective. With our own words, our own media, we turned a painful event that had pretty much nothing to do with most (though clearly, not all) American families into a prime example to make great stories- which is sick and horrible, both for those who suffered, and for those who did not. Again, the act of "terrorism" never did have to -work-, had society reacted differently- we allowed it to go from "crime" to "terror"
 
^^Well put--however, it's just saddening to see how a lot of this is causing certain elevation of fear, in communities, at the work-place, through the media in homes. Then again, certain people will or have reinforce(d) their own homes or set priorities in order to quash the heightened level of fear. Usually out of a bad crisis or something bad that has happened, there's always (in most cases) a certain group of people coming together, banding together for the good, for the right reasons, then again, there is also perhaps other groups coming together to manipulate this fear for their own dastardly ways and vile purposes. Therefore, the idea of incorporating a security method for driver's licenses just may justify the means to combat this so-called fear and lessen the opportunity for others to manipulate the system, then again, there's the black market, where they could figure out a way to 'beat' the system. At this point, I'm not too sure where I stand, then again, it's targeting all those who were born after 1964--which doesn't apply to me. :-X




~RR
 
^^Well put--however, it's just saddening to see how a lot of this is causing certain elevation of fear, in communities, at the work-place, through the media in homes. Then again, certain people will or have reinforce(d) their own homes or set priorities in order to quash the heightened level of fear. Usually out of a bad crisis or something bad that has happened, there's always (in most cases) a certain group of people coming together, banding together for the good, for the right reasons, then again, there is also perhaps other groups coming together to manipulate this fear for their own dastardly ways and vile purposes. Therefore, the idea of incorporating a security method for driver's licenses just may justify the means to combat this so-called fear and lessen the opportunity for others to manipulate the system, then again, there's the black market, where they could figure out a way to 'beat' the system. At this point, I'm not too sure where I stand, then again, it's targeting all those who were born after 1964--which doesn't apply to me. :-X




~RR

This is going to sound as though it is off topic, but I do not believe it is. I believe it is a direct answer to your post.

Fear is an addiction (in my oppinion) that is fully as addictive as heroin. Once someone has embraced it as a standard reaction there is no reassuring them. No matter how much you imprison them they will never believe the walls thick enough or the bars tight enough to keep them fully safe -- What if someone is standing outside, just out of sight, with an evil gas?

This has been demonstrated in history when fear of witches drove much of Europe into frenzy.
 
This is going to sound as though it is off topic, but I do not believe it is. I believe it is a direct answer to your post.

Fear is an addiction (in my oppinion) that is fully as addictive as heroin. Once someone has embraced it as a standard reaction there is no reassuring them. No matter how much you imprison them they will never believe the walls thick enough or the bars tight enough to keep them fully safe -- What if someone is standing outside, just out of sight, with an evil gas?

This has been demonstrated in history when fear of witches drove much of Europe into frenzy.

Fear places one in the position of replacing logical and reasonable thought with irrational and emotional reactions. This country is bordering on group paranoia.
 
I can't wait til Bush to be out of office in Jan 2009. :roll:

I don't think it would prevent from terrorist, even some terrorists can be smart enough to obtain fake REAL ID or obtain at first before commit into terror in this country.

If terrorist is continue to be happen after REAL ID then this law is no good, I hate to see when some people are snoop my life, none of their damn business.

Hey Pacman, can you go over to see way way way off topic thread please!
I cannot way off topic post here.. Ok

Thanks.

this topic about security rules for driver's license..
Gonna be nightmare for sure rest of future ahead of time!
There's no fun eh.
 
Hey Pacman, can you go over to see way way way off topic thread please!
I cannot way off topic post here.. Ok

Thanks.

this topic about security rules for driver's license..
Gonna be nightmare for sure rest of future ahead of time!
There's no fun eh.

No, my topic is related to same topic as applied on Real ID Act.
 
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