Assisted Suicide

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Meg:

You might be interested in this, maybe.


Lets discuss.

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High Court to Review Assisted Suicide Law
Challenge to Oregon Statute Centers on Use of Lethal Doses of Drugs


By HOPE YEN, AP

Reuters

WASHINGTON (Feb. 22) - The Supreme Court stepped back into the right-to-die debate Tuesday, agreeing to hear the Bush administration's challenge to a unique state law allowing doctors to help terminally ill patients die more quickly.

The decision to review Oregon's law during the session beginning in October sets up another fight over whether states or the federal government should decide the delicate question.

The same nine justices sided with states in 1997, but four years later Attorney General John Ashcroft declared that federal drug laws prohibited doctors from prescribing lethal doses. An appeals court rejected that interpretation and the Bush administration is appealing the decision.

Since the Oregon law took effect in 1997, more than 170 people have used it to end their lives. The law is meant for only extremely sick people - those with incurable diseases who two doctors agree have six months or less to live and are of sound mind.

Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski, a Democrat, said the Bush administration is trampling on state's rights.

"While politics has driven the appeals of the lower court's decisions on this law, I am confident that now that politics are put aside, the Supreme Court will ultimately side with the rights of Oregonians as citizens of a sovereign state," he said.

But a physicians' group that opposes Oregon's law said it is hopeful the court will toss out the law on the grounds that giving lethal prescriptions is not a legitimate medical practice.

"We don't believe that any state should be permitted to unilaterally exempt itself from federal law forbidding the misuse of federally controlled substances to overdose vulnerable patients," said Dr. Kenneth Stevens, a spokesman for Physicians for Compassionate Care.

A panel of the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of Oregon last May, saying Ashcroft's "unilateral attempt to regulate general medical practices historically entrusted to state lawmakers interferes with the democratic debate about physician-assisted suicide."

Ashcroft filed the appeal last November, on the day his resignation was announced by the White House.

Oregon voters passed the law in 1994 but it was placed on hold because of legal challenges. In 1997, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that individuals had no constitutional right to die, upholding state bans on physician-assisted suicide.

However, the opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist said individual states could decide to permit the practice.

Prodded by that ruling, Oregon voters affirmed its physician-assisted suicide law for a second time in 1997. Attorney General Janet Reno later said states may regulate their own doctors and rejected a request to use federal drug laws to prosecute physicians who help patients die.

Ashcroft's Justice Department in 2001 said it would use the federal Controlled Substances Act to punish doctors who prescribe overdoses since physician-assisted suicide is not a "legitimate medical purpose."

The issue now before the Supreme Court is whether the federal law authorizes the Justice Department to sanction doctors, and, if so, whether Congress has the authority to prohibit assisted suicide if a state chose to allow it.

The Oregon challenge is the second right-to-die case to come before the Supreme Court this year. Last month, justices rejected a legal challenge to Florida's "Terri's Law," a measure to keep Terri Schiavo, who is severely brain-damaged, on life support over the objections of her husband.

Schiavo, whose legal fight is continuing, could be taken off life support as early as Wednesday.

In 1990, the Supreme Court ruled that terminally ill people may refuse treatment that would otherwise keep them alive, but declined in the 1997 case to extend that constitutional right to obtaining medication that would put them to death.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said he expects some in Congress will seek to circumvent Oregon's law if the Supreme Court upholds it.

"This is an issue that should be left up to the voters of the individual states, and I am determined that the rights of Oregonians will not be trampled here," he said.

The case is Gonzales v. Oregon, 04-623.


02/22/05 16:33 EST
 
Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski, a Democrat, said the Bush administration is trampling on state's rights.

Enough said.
 
Personally, I believe suicide is wrong and an awful thing to do because you don't just hurt yourself, you also hurt the surrounding loved ones.

Now, about assisting a person's suicide... I find the concept to be highly disturbing. One person could take advantage of the term when the person actully had committed murder rather than helping the person die.

Think about it, it's like a loophole that can be taken advantage of. If a man murders his wife in the bed, he may try to take advantage of that term, assisted suicide as in saying he helped his wife kill herself. There's just too much to discuss on the matter.
 
I hear you Banjo but I want to be able to have assisted suicide if I ever get terminally ill and want to have that right when that ever happens.

I work with dying people everyday so I see the horrors of that. Hence, I don't believe in prolonging agony.

By the way - it notes that only doctors can do this, not spouses of dying people.
 
What if your doctor dianosed you wrong... and said you got
Parkingson's Disease...
and then you would set up suicide assistance... and
then oh oh... you found out the last minute
that you don't have Parkingson's Disease.
 
Meg said:
I hear you Banjo but I want to be able to have assisted suicide if I ever get terminally ill and want to have that right when that ever happens.

I work with dying people everyday so I see the horrors of that. Hence, I don't believe in prolonging agony.

By the way - it notes that only doctors can do this, not spouses of dying people.

:werd: I also understand what Banjo is saying, and he raises a good point, but I agree with you, Meggie. Like you, I've seen some horrible stuff, and I also have been in medical situations that really would make one think. Speaking soley for myself here, I do not want to be lying in a hospital bed with tubes coming out of every orifice. There's no dignity in dying that way.
 
Meg said:
I hear you Banjo but I want to be able to have assisted suicide if I ever get terminally ill and want to have that right when that ever happens.

That's quite a different situation, I can understand the problems among the hospital patients who are expected to die yet they won't allow them to go in peace. It's not the moral issues that the hospital has problems with, it's the money that they want.

By the way - it notes that only doctors can do this, not spouses of dying people.

Ah, the infamous Dr. Jack Kevorkian. Anybody remember him? I believe that the ill person has to be the one who ask for the assistance, not the spouses, friends, etc. But if people are vegetables, unable to communicate... don't even think about assisting the person's suicide because you have no idea if the person want it or not.
 
That's why I already wrote it down in my will -- my mother have the rights to unplug the life system that hooked to me whenever I am in bad accident or whatever.

Meg nailed it down with her statement: I work with dying people everyday so I see the horrors of that. Hence, I don't believe in prolonging agony.

Professors showed me the pictures and all, I never forget what I saw. Few of them plan to apply for a field trip for us to go with them to certain area where patients located in.
 
Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski, a Democrat, said the Bush administration is trampling on state's rights.

There is no such thing as "States Rights". That was settled 140 years ago.
Lord save us from well meaning people in the medical arts willing to kill their patients. Lord help us all.
 
Banjo said:
Personally, I believe suicide is wrong and an awful thing to do because you don't just hurt yourself, you also hurt the surrounding loved ones.

Now, about assisting a person's suicide... I find the concept to be highly disturbing. One person could take advantage of the term when the person actully had committed murder rather than helping the person die...
I agree.
 
Codger said:
There is no such thing as "States Rights". That was settled 140 years ago.
Lord save us from well meaning people in the medical arts willing to kill their patients. Lord help us all.
On the contrary, there is such thing as states rights. Damn, I definitely need to borrow my professor's book, it covers several things concerning about medical issues.

Offtopic for a minute
Codger said:
Lord save us from well meaning people in the medical arts willing to kill their patients. Lord help us all.
Can Lord save us from Bush who is willing to kill us with his policies? Lord help us all.
 
Ocean..look at what you started. :whistle:

This is definitely a controversial subject and will bring out heated arguments. I do see both sides of the coin.

I just want to have that right for MYSELF when my time comes. I want that to be in my will and I have already told my daughters what I want when that ever happens.

I am not here to force that on OTHERS but to see that people have that right when it comes down to making their own decisions.

I dont want to be forced to die slowly with tubes sticking out of all of my orifices with no dignity.

Dying is scary, not Death.
 
Meg said:
I just want to have that right for MYSELF when my time comes. I want that to be in my will and I have already told my daughters what I want when that ever happens.

I am not here to force that on OTHERS but to see that people have that right when it comes down to making their own decisions.

I dont want to be forced to die slowly with tubes sticking out of all of my orifices with no dignity.

Dying is scary, not Death.
:gpost:

Death is nothing when compare to dying. Anyway, I am done with this topic, I said my piece. I think that's enough. Codger, I will pm you the information once I borrow my professor's book.
 
Meg said:
...I work with dying people everyday so I see the horrors of that. Hence, I don't believe in prolonging agony.
To avoid prolonging the agony, I believe people should have DNRs and living wills prepared, and that restrictions on pain medication should be removed for terminal patients.

By the way - it notes that only doctors can do this, not spouses of dying people.
I am afraid that too many doctors already have the "God-complex" and don't need to be handed even more power.
 
Then maybe all medical professionals and students should inform their employers and prospective employers that they think killing patients is right?
 
Meg said:
Ocean..look at what you started. :whistle:

This is definitely a controversial subject and will bring out heated arguments. I do see both sides of the coin.

I just want to have that right for MYSELF when my time comes. I want that to be in my will and I have already told my daughters what I want when that ever happens.

I am not here to force that on OTHERS but to see that people have that right when it comes down to making their own decisions.

I dont want to be forced to die slowly with tubes sticking out of all of my orifices with no dignity.

Dying is scary, not Death.

I agree with you, Meg.

As for me kicking the beehive ....

Yeah, I guess, I did. :Oops: :lol:

But, really...

Should we hide from things that are controversial? I don't think so. But, I know how sensitive this topic is. If it gets ugly, I'll ask the mods to lock the thread. I've already made that decision.

So, folks. If you want the thread to stay open. Be respectful, and play nice. Otherwise, I'll ask that the thread be locked.
 
At one point they had a choice,
I do not belittle the choice but it is there.
 
Magatsu said:
On the contrary, there is such thing as states rights. Damn, I definitely need to borrow my professor's book, it covers several things concerning about medical issues.

Offtopic for a minute
Can Lord save us from Bush who is willing to kill us with his policies? Lord help us all.

I agree with your statement about states rights. Assisted Suicide should be a state issue. Sadly, it could snowball into something else.

As for your comment about Bush...

Place nice Magatsu. Bush really has nothing to do with this. :lol:

Ocean :slap: Magatsu. :giggle:
 
It is pretty scary when the doctors are allowed to make decisions to "euthanatize" sick patients without checking to see if there are really and truly no hope of recovery for them... it reminds me of some news not too long ago about doctors in Holland who admitted they were quietly putting a number of terminally ill newborn babies to death. Here's the link: Pope's plea as doctors admit killing sick babies

There's already some cases in USA where some impatient doctors pressure the parents to let their small sick children die (and as a matter of fact the doctors even take them to court when the parents refuse) and the parents are fighting and saying "No, not yet! Not while there's still a chance!"

Something like that. So it's not a good idea to let the doctors have too much authority over life and death. 0_o
 
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