China, Japan, and...... Voldemort?

It's just an analogy, a little but of reach, but still just an analogy.
 
Rowling did such a good job of evoking ultimate evil, that it is now a part of a global language.
 
Oink said:
I realize that, but it's ridiculous that "officials" are comparing a situation to a fictional character.
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Actually I think they're more comparing the idea of if you destroy the horcrux you destroy the evil it represents. I'm not saying it's accurate.......and I was pointing it out to Mark, not you, I'm not real confident that he would recognize an analogy and that it's not supposed to be taken literally ;)
 
Just for a little more back ground this shrine is for war dead like fallen veterans, what has China and sone other countries all pissy about it is there over 1000 names in the book of souls for the shrine that were in WWII, 13 of them were convicted war criminals. If you want another analogy it'd be kind of like Germany having a shrine for war dead, and included Hitler and all the Nazis in it.

That's why they're comparing it to a horcrux, they're afraid people are trying to keep the spirit of those people alive or something.......but you'd also probably have to understand the religion involved, they believe their souls are entombed in the shrine. It's actually not a bad analogy, but personally I think it's much ado about nothing, there's a lot more people entombed in the shrine than just the ones from WWII but whatever.
 
Anyone who has died for the Japanese empire regardless of being Japanese can have
their souls entombed in yakusuni shrine. From the date of its founding by emperor meiji to the end of wwii. and it does house some non japanse who died for that empire.
The thing here to remember is this is a religious shirne. First and foremost. They do have the souls of war criminals. but so what?
The Japanese never held to the western idea of what a war crime was. They never were a Christian or western nation. As such they had very different rules regarding war. They are war criminals in the eyes of those who defeated them not to their own. then again those who nuked the japanse are held in the west as heroes not war criminals.
Heres the interesting thing. It is Shintos inclusion here that rubs people wrong not its exclusion. in the end its for them and only them to decide. no other countries should have a say.
in the end good for the japanse
bonzai!!!!!!!
 
ambrosia said:
Actually I think they're more comparing the idea of if you destroy the horcrux you destroy the evil it represents. I'm not saying it's accurate.......and I was pointing it out to Mark, not you, I'm not real confident that he would recognize an analogy and that it's not supposed to be taken literally ;)
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I full well know what analogy is, thank you. There's no need to point ANYTHING out to me. If I want to figure something out, I can do it myself, for the most part, unless I REALLY need help and/or feedback, then I'll ask you guys.
 
so why did you post the thread then?
its a discussion forum we are discussing it you posted wtf its crazy. so now its a chat
 
hoichi said:
so why did you post the thread then?
its a discussion forum we are discussing it you posted wtf its crazy. so now its a chat
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I did post that, cause why are they comparing a real-life event to a fake person, and I don't think it's a fair comparison, because the author of the book series made the fake person to be just that-- a fake character. Now dragging him into a real-life event is NOT the same thing as what happened in WWII and what he did. That's why this got posted-- cause WWII resulted in over 6 MILLION deaths-- he didn't kill that many people.
 
I can understand China's displeasure with Japan's shrines. Japan committed horrible atrocities against China in WWII. However, these shrines are on Japan's sovereign soil, so there isn't much anyone can do about them other than file formal protests.
 
ChicagoBlue2 said:
I did post that, cause why are they comparing a real-life event to a fake person, and I don't think it's a fair comparison, because the author of the book series made the fake person to be just that-- a fake character. Now dragging him into a real-life event is NOT the same thing as what happened in WWII and what he did. That's why this got posted-- cause WWII resulted in over 6 MILLION deaths-- he didn't kill that many people.
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I guess the fake character will just have to get over it.
 
ChicagoBlue2 said:
I did post that, cause why are they comparing a real-life event to a fake person, and I don't think it's a fair comparison, because the author of the book series made the fake person to be just that-- a fake character. Now dragging him into a real-life event is NOT the same thing as what happened in WWII and what he did. That's why this got posted-- cause WWII resulted in over 6 MILLION deaths-- he didn't kill that many people.
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If you're getting all get up about an analogy to a fictitious idea.......then you're taking it too literally.
 
ChicagoBlue2 said:
I did post that, cause why are they comparing a real-life event to a fake person, and I don't think it's a fair comparison, because the author of the book series made the fake person to be just that-- a fake character. Now dragging him into a real-life event is NOT the same thing as what happened in WWII and what he did. That's why this got posted-- cause WWII resulted in over 6 MILLION deaths-- he didn't kill that many people.
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wwii killed way way way way way way more people then a measly 6 million man
u can look up the casualty figures. its hovering around 80 million

as for dragging fake things characters or otherwise into real life yes
we do it all the time. no one is arguing anything is the same as anything here
 
Reba said:
I can understand China's displeasure with Japan's shrines. Japan committed horrible atrocities against China in WWII. However, these shrines are on Japan's sovereign soil, so there isn't much anyone can do about them other than file formal protests.
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True, as an aside japan along with the west as allies committed those same horrible atrocities against china before japan went enemy..
The boxer rebellion is a good case here. japan and allied nations really went murderous to destroy the boxer rebellion in china against foreign (brit and western) domination
we celebrate boxing day every year to remember that bloodbath for the brit empire.
not sure if china gets pissy about boxing celebrations, probably not considering all the loot it gets from cheap products ah well.
just some history
 
ambrosia said:
If you're getting all get up about an analogy to a fictitious idea.......then you're taking it too literally.
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Me, taking analogy literally? As if! I rarely do it, if ever. Heck, I don't even consider this that way.
 
hoichi said:
True, as an aside japan along with the west as allies committed those same horrible atrocities against china before japan went enemy..
The boxer rebellion is a good case here. japan and allied nations really went murderous to destroy the boxer rebellion in china against foreign (brit and western) domination
we celebrate boxing day every year to remember that bloodbath for the brit empire.
not sure if china gets pissy about boxing celebrations, probably not considering all the loot it gets from cheap products ah well.
just some history
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There's not been love lost between Japan and China for a looooong time, true. I think the latest atrocities, such as the rape of Nanking, are most burning in Chinese memory, especially since there are still survivors or direct descendants of victims alive. I think China believes (with some justification) that Japan was never really held accountable for what they did in China, and that Japan never even expressed sincere remorse to China. Never-ending bad blood, and this is just the latest twist on it.
 
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